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Post by majorminor on Aug 30, 2022 22:21:57 GMT -5
Slight counterpoint from someone who emphasizes singing as much as guitar playing. Nothing wrong with the industry standard SM58 and I have several. I always find them inherently a touch dark and “wooly”. A mic that is similarly durable and inexpensive and a touch hotter with more presence to make those sibilants pop a little more is the Peavey PVM22. Just another option to consider.
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Post by Marty on Aug 30, 2022 22:33:56 GMT -5
I would take you up of that, Bill. But instead of giving it to me, would you be willing to accept a bottle of 42° Degree Winery Tatanka Red? A very tasteful table wine from a local winery with some lovey and owners who care about their craft. That would be lovely, Todd. I might also bring along to I-Jam my made-in-Iowa Ultrasound Pro amp, if anyone might be interested in buying it. Have you still got the extension speaker?
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Post by Dub on Aug 30, 2022 23:01:08 GMT -5
I might also bring along to I-Jam my made-in-Iowa Ultrasound Pro amp, if anyone might be interested in buying it. That’s a nice amp. Is it the one in this Reverb link? reverb.com/item/1502776-ultrasound-pro100
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Post by Marshall on Aug 30, 2022 23:48:32 GMT -5
Shure SM58. Proven, butt simple, can be used to hammer nails in a pinch. Don't over think it. Thanks! I won't overthink. Oh, I'm always one to overthink everything. I think the Sennheiser e935 is an excellent dynamic mic. (Dynamic mic is what you want. Shure SM57 is a dynamic mic too). I like it better than the Shure SM57. The EV N/D767a is quite nice too. Amana Joe just sold me one. He might have another something similar he'd part with for a reasonable sum. Since the Pandemic arose, I now carry my own mic to every open mic I go to. I don't want to be swapping spittle with anyone else. Nor they with me. I actually upgraded to the Shure KSM8 and I love it. But it's pricey. Well worth it for what I do. . . , just got back from an open mic where I sang thru it. Will do another tomorrow and Thursday. Maybe Friday too.
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Post by billhammond on Aug 31, 2022 6:48:16 GMT -5
I might also bring along to I-Jam my made-in-Iowa Ultrasound Pro amp, if anyone might be interested in buying it. That’s a nice amp. Is it the one in this Reverb link? reverb.com/item/1502776-ultrasound-pro100I don't have it listed anywhere, and it's a Pro200, as below. Marty, yes, I still have the 50W extension speaker, as well.
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Post by theevan on Aug 31, 2022 7:30:11 GMT -5
I have an old sm58 that I haven't used in many years and if I can find it I will send it to you
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Post by Marty on Aug 31, 2022 8:52:40 GMT -5
I don't have it listed anywhere, and it's a Pro200, as below. Marty, yes, I still have the 50W extension speaker, as well. Yes Pro 200. With the extension you have a compact system with a lot of power. 2 channels with separate FX on each channel plus a AUX channel. The extension will take a lot more than 50 watts. It was made the size of the Ultra Sound 50 & 100 watt model amps.
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Post by billhammond on Aug 31, 2022 9:04:35 GMT -5
The extension will take a lot more than 50 watts. It was made the size of the Ultra Sound 50 watt model amp. And Marty installed a metal sleeve in the extension cab so it could be elevated on a speaker stand. Instant P.A.!
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Post by epaul on Aug 31, 2022 9:27:41 GMT -5
If I remember, I can bring a Sennheiser e835 to IJ. I have four or five of them (from my early bluegrass days/very minor sound work.
They are a basic Shure 58 type, but they are a tad cleaner and crisper than the 58 (like Major said, 58s are a tad woofy. Good for higher voices, thinner voices, but for a thick, lower voice (like Todd's), a little quicker more articulate mic is good.
(these are all subtle differences apparent, slightly, when doing side by side AB comparisons).
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Post by billhammond on Aug 31, 2022 9:32:22 GMT -5
At this rate, Todd's stage setup is gonna look like this:
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Post by epaul on Aug 31, 2022 9:41:11 GMT -5
Moving up some in price, you can get a "neodymium" dynamic mic.(a neodymium magnet is a lighter, quicker responding rare earth magnet than the standard magnets used in basic mics). "Neodymium" dynamic mics are a little better (though again, it takes an A/B comparison to notice. During a general gig, no one will know or care what mic you are using ((but mic choice can get in a performer's head, and they will want what they want)).
Regardless, Todd, I think you should move up to a neodymium dynamic mic. It sounds like you are getting to ready to move beyond "I don't care, any mic will work for this cowpoke". You will spend $175 instead of $100, but you will get a cleaner, crisper mic that will suit your voice better. A Shure 58 Betta or a Sennheiser e-935 are great live performance, easy to live with, neodymium mics.
I have both in my drawer (along with a dozen others: big/small/dynamic/condenser/large D/small D.) My go-to gig mic is my 58 Betta. I think the 935 is a little cleaner and more accurate, but I don't necessarily want the greatest accuracy in the world, the Shure sound flatters my voice (at least in my head) a little more than the Sennheiser sound does (same reason I like Bose speakers. I like added warmth_.
But, by the same token, the fitting mic to voice token, I think you (Todd) would be better served by the slightly cleaner, crisper Sennheiser sound.
(note, all mic differences are apparent only to the singer while doing A/B comparisons. The audience will never notice or care. But, singers are strange beasts, keep them happy, even if is looney.)
If you move up one notch to a Neo-mic, the Shure 58 Betta and the Sennheiser e-935 are two dandies. And there are several others, EVs are great.
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Post by Marty on Aug 31, 2022 10:07:13 GMT -5
Everyone else probably knows mics a lot better than I do. But you are being offered a good mic that has a mute switch that I think you will find quite handy. Then buy Bill's extension speaker, it's the same size as the Ultra Sound that you already have.
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Post by Marshall on Aug 31, 2022 10:20:17 GMT -5
The audience will never notice or care. But, singers are strange beasts, keep them happy, even if is looney. I don’t remember seeing you at my last gig. But thanks for you support.
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Post by Village Idiot on Aug 31, 2022 11:20:17 GMT -5
Everyone else probably knows mics a lot better than I do. But you are being offered a good mic that has a mute switch that I think you will find quite handy. Then buy Bill's extension speaker, it's the same size as the Ultra Sound that you already have. That Ultrasound I got from you, Marty, is great. What is an extension speaker?
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Post by Village Idiot on Aug 31, 2022 11:21:09 GMT -5
Slight counterpoint from someone who emphasizes singing as much as guitar playing. Nothing wrong with the industry standard SM58 and I have several. I always find them inherently a touch dark and “wooly”. A mic that is similarly durable and inexpensive and a touch hotter with more presence to make those sibilants pop a little more is the Peavey PVM22. Just another option to consider. Thanks for that post, Steve. I emphasize my voice as well.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Aug 31, 2022 13:00:10 GMT -5
Todd, take all the microphones you have been generously offered and open a microphone store.
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Post by Marshall on Aug 31, 2022 13:02:24 GMT -5
EXACTLY. And now you know the correct schpeel to sell them all.
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Post by Dub on Aug 31, 2022 13:03:27 GMT -5
That Ultrasound I got from you, Marty, is great. What is an extension speaker? An extension speaker is someone sent by the agriculture department to talk to your 4H group.
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Post by epaul on Aug 31, 2022 13:04:09 GMT -5
Todd, you will not find a performer that values the singing as much or more than the playing still using the old Shure 58 as their personal mic. You just won't (and if you do, it will be one out of a hundred, maybe, one out of 200 more likely). The 58 might have been the standard in 1960, but it's now an outdated mic and the only people buying it are elementary choir directors on a strict budget and sound guys stocking up on the cheap for spares.
It might be confusing at first, but Shure has two mics called 58s. The old standard (and I do mean old) 58. And Shure's new standard dynamic mic, the 58 Beta (new, but its been out ten years, at least). The Beta is an upgraded mic with neodymium magnets and a better capsule, wind screen/poof blocker, and feedback rejection. Shure kept the 58 in the name because the old 58 was an iconic mic, so they decided to take advantage of the name.
Shure 58 Beta and Sennheiser e-935 are two extremely popular neodymium dynamic mics that can be had for under $200. From there the sky is the limit (and pricey cordless is taking over the upside of the market). Price out Major's mic, and if it reasonable, get it. He has a cavernous voice as well. What works for him will work for you. If it is too pricey, get the Sennheiser e935. The 935 is a great mic with cut and clarity just made for baritones and basses (thick voices that can be muddy with the wrong mic). The 58 Beta is a great mic, too. But it brings a little more warmth to the table, and there is no free lunch, the more warmth, the less clarity and cut, the more clarity and cut, the less warmth. You have warmth in spades. Go for a mic that is on the crisp and clean spectrum.
(yes, neutral is the goal. For some reason, all neutral mics sound ever so slightly different.)
For a budget mic, the Sennheiser e835 is a nice, clean mic. Cleaner than the standard old 58.
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Post by majorminor on Aug 31, 2022 16:25:51 GMT -5
I might have to pick up one of those Shure Beta 58s at some point to see, but if it’s a slightly hotter and cleaner SM58 that’s exactly how I would describe the Peavey PVM22. The Peavey is discontinued but still pops up used out there in that $80-$100 dollar range. If you see a clean one in that price range some time snap it up. I’d take one over an old school SM58 any time.
My current mic of choice is an Electro Voice EV ND96. In addition to being a good tough all around working man’s live vocal mic it has a VERY high level of feedback rejection. I use these in the band practice room where we are using PA mains in a fairly small room to monitor vocals. All other mics lead to feedback fairly quickly. With 3 of the EV mics on in that same space you can get the volume up loud enough to affect your IQ before feedback occurs.
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