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Post by Cornflake on Nov 26, 2022 18:50:43 GMT -5
I'm a big believer in the constitutional right of free speech. I've volunteered time and effort to protect the free speech rights of people I disagreed with. I thought the Nazis had the right to stage their march in Skokie all those years ago. I think the people who served up some incredibly hateful comments and accusations in connection with our recent election had the right to do so.
But if I'd been in Skokie, I'd either have turned my back on the Nazis or saluted them with a middle finger. When I realize a comment on some site I'm reading is toxic, I quit reading and mentally raise a middle finger. We have to tolerate assholes but I don't have to give them an audience or any respect, and we shouldn't. Just because someone has a legal right to say something doesn't mean it's right to say it.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 26, 2022 19:03:36 GMT -5
I lost a Facebook friend a coupe of weeks ago when she posted her joy at the democrat success i the election. She had found e on a "Classmates" site and I guess she was in my high-school class.
I said I couldn't afford Democrats.
She responded that she was entitled to her opinion.
I responded that she had a right to her opinion and I had a right to ignore it.
She unfriended me.
No great loss.
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Post by james on Nov 26, 2022 19:15:49 GMT -5
With FB, some opinions can be more freely aired on one's own wall than other people's.
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Post by Cornflake on Nov 26, 2022 19:24:08 GMT -5
On Facebook, I usually assume that other people are no more interested in my opinions than I am in theirs. I'm fairly sure I'm right. I don't go there for political guidance and I assume that others don't either.
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 26, 2022 19:42:39 GMT -5
freedom of speech does not mean you're entitled to an audience, or that you're entitled to have someone provide you with one (and if they don't, they're not infringing on your freedom of speech).
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Post by howard lee on Nov 26, 2022 20:17:52 GMT -5
I ditched my Facebook account in 2011. I saw the writing on the wall.
And I never bothered with Twitter (I don't care what most people think, on either side of the great divide).
It's appropriate that Elon Musk purchased Twitter because, in my opinion, he is a twit.
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Post by Cornflake on Nov 26, 2022 20:18:52 GMT -5
jdd's post was more apt than mine. The First Amendment applies to the government, not to private companies. Twitter can shut down whatever voices it likes without infringing on free speech. And allow whatever voices it likes, including Trump's.
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Post by Cornflake on Nov 26, 2022 20:20:05 GMT -5
"I ditched my Facebook account in 2011. I saw the writing on the wall."
I understand the impulse. But I have cousins I can't keep in touch with any other way.
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Post by howard lee on Nov 26, 2022 20:23:16 GMT -5
"I ditched my Facebook account in 2011. I saw the writing on the wall." I understand the impulse. But I have cousins I can't keep in touch with any other way.
Don, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do, whatever that may constitute. I bear no grudge, except to the members of our Co-op Board.
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Post by james on Dec 14, 2022 16:16:07 GMT -5
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Post by Cornflake on Dec 14, 2022 16:57:35 GMT -5
He lost me with the crack about Fauci.
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Post by jdd2 on Dec 14, 2022 17:14:14 GMT -5
Musk fills that niche in US media/cultural life that humpty dumpty created, but then got expelled from. And he's taken it over so well/completely/narcissistically that he'll only want to be the puppeteer, if, say, anyone wanted to compete with or horn in on the way he's taken control of all that (or thinks he has).
He's made that niche his own, and woe to the person/forces that try to supplant him, (I think he's done something like "Onion-izing"/caricature-izing it, but that's just my opinion.)
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Post by Marshall on Dec 14, 2022 17:17:30 GMT -5
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Post by Marshall on Dec 14, 2022 17:20:22 GMT -5
Musk fills that niche in US media/cultural life that humpty dumpty created, Difference is Trump never plays with his own money. Always somebody else's. Musk, on the other hand, has his own flesh in the game. |
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 14, 2022 17:55:24 GMT -5
Hmmm...., the fascist turds seem so upset that someone bought thier little private coffee clatch space and opened it up to plebes who apparently aren't fit to speak in thier little kingdom.
Oh the hand wringing! What are we supposed to think?
Thier narcissism is thick in here.
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Post by james on Dec 14, 2022 18:55:43 GMT -5
Happily, on the Nazi-coddling billionaire's increasingly hellish online playground for conspiracy theorists, cranks and bigots, there are still nice things.
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Post by Cornflake on Dec 14, 2022 19:31:45 GMT -5
Like most people I know, I've never been on Twitter. I don't plan to be on Twitter. I don't know or care what it did in the past. I read today that it may have discriminated against conservative voices. If so, that's what a private business can do. Fox News discriminates against liberal talking heads. I don't care.
I don't care about Elon Musk except that he's made a few comments that convinced me that I'm not interested in hearing his thoughts about anything else. But I think he made a dumb purchase when he bought Twitter. Remember when Myspace was the rage? Instagram in reportedly failing. These platforms are flavor-of-the-month deals and spending many billions on one struck me as unwise. But it's his money.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Dec 14, 2022 19:39:40 GMT -5
Hmmm...., the fascist turds seem so upset that someone bought thier their little private coffee clatch space and opened it up to plebes who apparently aren't fit to speak in thier their little kingdom. Oh the hand wringing! What are we supposed to think? Thier Their narcissism is thick in here. There. I fixed it for you. Mike |
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Post by jdd2 on Dec 14, 2022 19:43:06 GMT -5
Yeah, 'thier' is like those jan 6th texts calling for 'marshall' law....
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Post by RickW on Dec 14, 2022 20:16:12 GMT -5
I have a Twitter account for writing, which I use to send out promotional stuff. I have a personal twitter account for sports; Twitter is the main social media venue for sports writers and pundits, and while the convos can get nasty, lots of good info in there.
I think Elon Musk is a flaming idiot. 44 billion for business that loses money. I’ve said it before, it looks good on him, because he opened his privileged rich kid mouth and said something that was entirely unwise, and paid for it. I mean, who knows, maybe he’ll be able to turn that ship around, but if they haven’t made money yet, I have my doubts there’s an easy fix.
I like Facebook; it lets me connect with my writer friends, and my family. There is an enormous amount of excellent information on it for many things, and writing and marketing is one of those things. You have to sift through a lot of stuff, but for knowledge sharing, it’s great. The biggest problem is simply being able to see the things you want to, rather what FB thinks you should see. I can also tell you that as a small business person using their ad platform, they’re a pain in the ass. But, for most writers, a necessary one.
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