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Post by aquaduct on Feb 25, 2023 21:35:25 GMT -5
Tucker has it. Now, by all that is honest and just, I hope congress is soon forced by the courts to make the same material available to whatever news media outfit requests it (if they don't, sensibly, decide to do so on their own). Not that Tucker isn't a completely fair, worthy, and unimpeachable arbiter of how this 14,000+ hours of material should be edited and released by chosen bits to the public. But. there is a freedom of information and access principle at stake. I expect the further release of these complete recordings, either voluntarily or by court order, will occur. Has to occur. (even the most ardent on the right understand that this release to Tucker and Tucker only not only reeks, it is a rot at the foundation of what this country is supposed to be about. Good job, McCarthy. You are what both sides and the middle say you are.) That's certainly the plan. And what we toads have always said. You've now got some 900+ J6 defendants that have been largely rotting in a DC prison at the Justice Department's behest for 2 years now and, again at the Justice Department's behest those tapes haven't been released. A couple young guys whose biggest crimes were walking in to the Capital, looking around for a few minutes, and leaving have already committed suicide. And we've already been treated to the complete shit show of the useless Jan. 6 hearings. Somehow I think nobody really cares what you think of McCarthy.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 25, 2023 21:59:34 GMT -5
Peter, I reviewed the article. As I see it, the judge, a Trump appointee, found inadequate documentation of Powell's wrongdoing, and therefore declined to prosecute her for "misconduct and violating ethics following her attempts and legal work to have the results of the 2020 election overturned." To avoid an ethics malpractice claim, though helpful in continuing to practice law, it is not something that I would add to my list of credentials or consider a "victory." "Hey, I wasn't found guilty of fraud" is not a reputation builder. It is certainly better than being found guilty, though. The same Newsweek article that you refer to has a link to another Newsweek article. www.newsweek.com/eric-herschmann-sidney-powell-election-proposals-january-6-testimony-1724028. It states: "Former Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann recalled the tense arguments he had with Sidney Powell—the attorney who allegedly led some of the former president's most extreme legal considerations to overturn the 2020 election—calling the proposals she made during a December 18, 2020, meeting "nuts." . . . . In his testimony, Herschmann said Powell told him that all of the 60-plus judges who threw out her lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 election were corrupt. The former White House lawyer recalled asking Powell, "Every one? Every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost—every one of them is corrupt? Even the ones we appointed?" Trump's legal team was unsuccessful in their litigation efforts to overturn the election, with nearly all their lawsuits being dismissed or dropped due to a lack of evidence. Peter, I think you are bright. I do not understand why you would go out on a limb for Sidney Powell. Hey, Todd asked and I answered. I personally don't care. She's an adult and can take care of herself. But I've (and others who've left and were at least willing to give Trump the benefit of the doubt) have pretty mercilessly been mocked and ridiculed here for several years over Trump. And as Don (and others have) implied, we're all just rubes that watch the wrong news shows. And from what I understand from other bright lawyers, the 60-plus judges who threw out all those lawsuits really didn't throw them out based on the facts. It was mostly due to administrivia like the suit was filed too early or too late. This has gone on now for Trump, COVID, Jan. 6, and now the Ukraine attempt to spend us into bankruptcy while China and Russia unite to form a virtually indestructible alliance to administer our suicide as a nation. Thanks Joe, you bonehead. Now what else you got?
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Post by jdd2 on Feb 25, 2023 22:46:47 GMT -5
"administrivia like the suit was filed too early"
Then I guess instead of giving up, it could have been refiled after the 'too-early-to-file-a-suit' deadline?
Or maybe that happened, and those were some of the 60 or so that were thrown out.
The interestingly odd historical arc that I see goes from reagan and "tear down this wall", to trump's coziness with putin and his north korean buddy (again just in the news).
At least McConnell is now making the comments I would expect about russia.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 25, 2023 22:56:56 GMT -5
"administrivia like the suit was filed too early" Then I guess instead of giving up, it could have been refiled after the 'too-early-to-file-a-suit' deadline? Or maybe that happened, and those were some of the 60 or so that were thrown out. You tell me. The interestingly odd historical arc that I see goes from reagan and "tear down this wall", to trump's coziness with putin and his north korean buddy (again just in the news). At least McConnell is now making the comments I would expect about russia. I just saw somebody asking, "Who does Biden NOT want to go to war with?" So far nobodies got a good answer given our blowing up that pipeline and all.
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 26, 2023 0:13:18 GMT -5
You've now got some 900+ J6 defendants that have been largely rotting in a DC prison at the Justice Department's behest for 2 years now I'm having trouble confirming that number. The George Washington U tracking page counts 968 defendants as of 2/21/23, but a number of those cases have already been tried. There's a graph tracking the status of cases, and if I read it correctly, there are currently about 400 pending, with the rest resolved (mostly by guilty pleas). The GWU data doesn't chart or summarize the status of the accused--how many are in jail or out on bail--or who were charged with misdemeanors (and thus are probably not in jail). extremism.gwu.edu/Capitol-Hill-SiegeThe stories I can find about imprisoned defendants are mostly about jail conditions--some were kept in solitary, which is pretty severe. There's one report from September 2021 that out of about 600 charged, 37 were in jail. It's hard to figure how, a year and a half later, that could have grown to 900+ incarcerated. www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/capitol-riot-are-hundreds-of-defendants-still-in-jail/65-dffb1d7e-089a-4406-ae4e-c54748e11953
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Post by epaul on Feb 26, 2023 1:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 26, 2023 7:35:58 GMT -5
You've now got some 900+ J6 defendants that have been largely rotting in a DC prison at the Justice Department's behest for 2 years now I'm having trouble confirming that number. The George Washington U tracking page counts 968 defendants as of 2/21/23, but a number of those cases have already been tried. There's a graph tracking the status of cases, and if I read it correctly, there are currently about 400 pending, with the rest resolved (mostly by guilty pleas). The GWU data doesn't chart or summarize the status of the accused--how many are in jail or out on bail--or who were charged with misdemeanors (and thus are probably not in jail). extremism.gwu.edu/Capitol-Hill-SiegeThe stories I can find about imprisoned defendants are mostly about jail conditions--some were kept in solitary, which is pretty severe. There's one report from September 2021 that out of about 600 charged, 37 were in jail. It's hard to figure how, a year and a half later, that could have grown to 900+ incarcerated. www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/capitol-riot-are-hundreds-of-defendants-still-in-jail/65-dffb1d7e-089a-4406-ae4e-c54748e11953This journalist has followed the details from the beginning. I know you will do nothing but scoff at her grammar, but you could start there. amgreatness.com/author/julie-kelly/Then you can endeavor to watch some of the video tape being released to see what you can actually learn yourself, assuming you're open to learning anything. Then you can make some kind of informed judgment on whether all this has been worth it in humanitarian terms or whether this tracks closer to Kristallnacht.
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Post by james on Feb 26, 2023 9:48:06 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 26, 2023 10:09:47 GMT -5
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Post by dradtke on Feb 26, 2023 11:00:11 GMT -5
In his testimony, Herschmann said Powell told him that all of the 60-plus judges who threw out her lawsuits challenging the results of the 2020 election were corrupt. The former White House lawyer recalled asking Powell, "Every one? Every single case that you've done in the country you guys lost—every one of them is corrupt? Even the ones we appointed?" Ja, so one day Ole hasta drive down to da cities, and Lena vas a little worried about him because he's mostly useta driving on da gravel county roads instead of da big highways. So a little later she's got da radio on whilst she's doing dishes, and there's an emergency traffic warning about a car driving the wrong way on the interstate. So Lena calls Ole on his cell phone to tell him to watch out, there's a car going the wrong way, and Ole says, he says, "One car? Dere's dozens of em!"
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Post by epaul on Feb 26, 2023 11:23:03 GMT -5
Brilliant application of the wisdom to be found in our heritage of American folklore to this current malady.
"All you need to know can be found within the Tales of Ole and Lena, somewhere.", an as yet unwritten book by D. Radke.
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 26, 2023 13:14:16 GMT -5
I posed a specific question about the number of jailed Jan. 6 defendants, and a list of Julie Kelly's American Greatness stories doesn't really answer it--she posts about every four days, and there are more than a dozen pages of links to her pieces. Nevertheless--the Julie Kelly who has called a Capitol cop testifying at hearings a "crisis actor"? The one whose appearance on a Daniel Horowitz podcast is described this way? She explains how the entire narrative of the Capitol Hill attack is a blood libel and was clearly fomented by the feds. Why are so many of the key players not arrested, while other people languish in jail without bail in solitary confinement for simply stepping foot in the Capitol? podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-really-happened-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6-guest/id1065050908?i=1000547129419"Blood libel" has a fairly specific meaning, and I'm having a hard time figuring how it might be applied to the Jan. 6 events--but I'm not about to listen to podcast to find out. I've done a lot of searching, using various terms, and I still can't find anything but conspiracy theorizing and the consistent use of the "political prisoners" descriptor.
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Post by dradtke on Feb 26, 2023 15:16:24 GMT -5
Brilliant application of the wisdom to be found in our heritage of American folklore to this current malady. "All you need to know can be found within the Tales of Ole and Lena, somewhere.", an as yet unwritten book by D. Radke. I have to post Ole and Lena every so often just to be sure that someone - even if it's only Tandberg - reads my posts. I'm not sure he realizes that they're jokes.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 26, 2023 15:48:03 GMT -5
I posed a specific question about the number of jailed Jan. 6 defendants, and a list of Julie Kelly's American Greatness stories doesn't really answer it--she posts about every four days, and there are more than a dozen pages of links to her pieces. Nevertheless--the Julie Kelly who has called a Capitol cop testifying at hearings a "crisis actor"? The one whose appearance on a Daniel Horowitz podcast is described this way? She explains how the entire narrative of the Capitol Hill attack is a blood libel and was clearly fomented by the feds. Why are so many of the key players not arrested, while other people languish in jail without bail in solitary confinement for simply stepping foot in the Capitol? podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/what-really-happened-at-the-capitol-on-jan-6-guest/id1065050908?i=1000547129419"Blood libel" has a fairly specific meaning, and I'm having a hard time figuring how it might be applied to the Jan. 6 events--but I'm not about to listen to podcast to find out. I've done a lot of searching, using various terms, and I still can't find anything but conspiracy theorizing and the consistent use of the "political prisoners" descriptor. Wow, that was easy. www.politico.com/news/2022/07/07/jan-6-prosecutions-months-later-00044354And Fanone? That tatted up Capitol Police guy who couldn't seem to buy enough publicity claiming, although he was armed, he was mercilessly beat up by unarmed protesters? That Fanone?!? But don't worry, you'll soon get to see the video tapes and draw your own conclusions. You might also want to keep an eye on all those plain clothes FBI agents (the ones who don't quite fit in among the rest of the plebes) encouraging folks to storm the Capitol.
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Post by epaul on Feb 26, 2023 15:54:16 GMT -5
Brilliant application of the wisdom to be found in our heritage of American folklore to this current malady. "All you need to know can be found within the Tales of Ole and Lena, somewhere.", an as yet unwritten book by D. Radke. I have to post Ole and Lena every so often just to be sure that someone - even if it's only Tandberg - reads my posts. I'm not sure he realizes that they're jokes. No, Dave, that was a spot on cross-disciplinary sort of association. Good job! I've been noticing this about you during band rehearsals, as well, and I've been meaning to say something about it to you. When you are only half-snookered instead of completely snookered, you are capable of producing some really wonderfully creative work. There is this five or six minute window where your bells just capture that elusive something and shine out with glory. They are quite dead before and go completely to hell after, but during that brief window, well, the rest of us are transfixed and amazed. - did you notice the two Don's hugging each other and bawling their eyes out the other night during your "It's a Small World (After All)" break? Anyway, this window of yours is a very special window, and not just because it is so very brief and rare, but just because it is. And I just thought someone should sometime say something positive about you.
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Post by james on Feb 26, 2023 16:02:46 GMT -5
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Post by dradtke on Feb 26, 2023 17:01:12 GMT -5
I have to post Ole and Lena every so often just to be sure that someone - even if it's only Tandberg - reads my posts. I'm not sure he realizes that they're jokes. No, Dave, that was a spot on cross-disciplinary sort of association. Good job! I've been noticing this about you during band rehearsals, as well, and I've been meaning to say something about it to you. When you are only half-snookered instead of completely snookered, you are capable of producing some really wonderfully creative work. There is this five or six minute window where your bells just capture that elusive something and shine out with glory. They are quite dead before and go completely to hell after, but during that brief window, well, the rest of us are transfixed and amazed. - did you notice the two Don's hugging each other and bawling their eyes out the other night during your "It's a Small World (After All)" break? Anyway, this window of yours is a very special window, and not just because it is so very brief and rare, but just because it is. And I just thought someone should sometime say something positive about you. Thanks, Paul, that's so sweet! Could we rig up a little light or something that you could turn on when you think I'm in that zone? That way I could milk it a little longer. Just an idea.
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Post by aquaduct on Feb 26, 2023 17:43:10 GMT -5
And that brings us back to the Kristallnacht reference. See how that works?
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Post by james on Feb 26, 2023 18:02:30 GMT -5
*eye roll*
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Post by Cornflake on Feb 26, 2023 18:31:21 GMT -5
David, I shared your joke with my wife.
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