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Post by millring on Mar 9, 2023 7:39:42 GMT -5
I found him an annoying little pipsqueak brush fire starter but then I find folks like Rachel Maddow much the same but maybe a little classier. This has shaped public opinion far more than it ever should have for at least 30 years now. Back in our younger years it was the more serious talking heads. They proved too easy to ignore. But ever since the advent of the internet it has been a battle of the best entertainers framing the arguments in such a way as to engender total contempt for the people we disagree with (in fact, we don't actually listen to them anymore). Early on it was Jon Stewart vs Rush Limbaugh. It's been an unbroken chain of snark ever since. |
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Post by millring on Mar 9, 2023 8:43:58 GMT -5
And I can see a bevy of Sports Illustrated swimsuit models rushing up to me and saying "Paul, will you please, please come with us to Tahiti and play your trombone for us while we do our shoots?"  |
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Post by Marshall on Mar 9, 2023 9:03:32 GMT -5
Is this horse (panda?) dead yet?
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Post by james on Mar 9, 2023 9:22:55 GMT -5
Dominion v Fox trial slated to begin April 17th. Redacted sections of summary judgement filing would be interesting to see/learn about at some point.
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Post by epaul on Mar 9, 2023 9:24:00 GMT -5
...my brother watched the original video of this demonstration, upon which the judge still threw it out as "no evidence" of fraud. There was a video of a judge watching a demonstration of someone flipping a bank of county voting machines with a cell phone and the judge threw it out as not evidence? I do not believe a word of this. This may have happened in Youtube world, but not in any courtroom. But, I did see a video of a guy sawing a box with a lady in it in half, and when he put the two halves back together again, the lady popped out and she was in one piece! |
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 9, 2023 9:32:03 GMT -5
Trivia question:
Years ago Tucker Carlson bow tie and all had a show on maybe NBC or PBS or some station at 6:00pm where he did the conservative biased news and then at 6:30 there was a liberal biased program and I can't remember the name of the guy on that program. There may have been a program they both were on debating each other but then it got broken down to the 2 separate shows. I don't remember the show names or the liberal guy's name and I can't even figure out how to google it. It may have been back in the 80s or 90s and I used to watch both shows. I just wonder if the liberal guy is still around anywhere.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Mar 9, 2023 9:48:00 GMT -5
Trivia question: Years ago Tucker Carlson bow tie and all had a show on maybe NBC or PBS or some station at 6:00pm where he did the conservative biased news and then at 6:30 there was a liberal biased program and I can't remember the name of the guy on that program. There may have been a program they both were on debating each other but then it got broken down to the 2 separate shows. I don't remember the show names or the liberal guy's name and I can't even figure out how to google it. It may have been back in the 80s or 90s and I used to watch both shows. I just wonder if the liberal guy is still around anywhere. Crossfire. Over the course of the show there were various people in right and left wing roles. Carlson was one of them. |
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 9, 2023 9:58:43 GMT -5
"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."
"You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?"
"No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."
"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."
"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"
"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."
"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"
"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."
"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"
"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in. Got any gin?"
"What?"
"I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?"
"I'll look. Tell me about the lizards."
Ford shrugged again.
"Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it."
"But that's terrible," said Arthur.
"Listen, bud," said Ford, "if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another bit of the Universe and say 'That's terrible' I wouldn't be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin."
- So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 9, 2023 10:35:28 GMT -5
Trivia question: Years ago Tucker Carlson bow tie and all had a show on maybe NBC or PBS or some station at 6:00pm where he did the conservative biased news and then at 6:30 there was a liberal biased program and I can't remember the name of the guy on that program. There may have been a program they both were on debating each other but then it got broken down to the 2 separate shows. I don't remember the show names or the liberal guy's name and I can't even figure out how to google it. It may have been back in the 80s or 90s and I used to watch both shows. I just wonder if the liberal guy is still around anywhere. Crossfire. Over the course of the show there were various people in right and left wing roles. Carlson was one of them. Yeah, I knew that part. Now, who was the other guy who got his own show that followed Tucker's. |
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Post by jdd2 on Mar 9, 2023 11:16:13 GMT -5
If I wanted to dress and be taken to be a conservative, I'd definitely opt for a bow tie.
Still, there are likely some finer bow tie details that I'd likely miss, so the look would stand out like new money.
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Post by dradtke on Mar 9, 2023 11:31:01 GMT -5
The weather was so nice on the unsinkable Titanic. Musicians performed outside on the deck while some passengers boarded small boats for a late night excursion. It was a mostly peaceful evening.
I saw the first part of a film made by some guy named Zapruder. It was a warm sunny day, President Kennedy was smiling and waving from his car to all the people beside the road. Why does this Oswald guy gt such a bad rap?
I saw security video on TV of Mohamed Atta boarding a plane. Obviously just a peaceful tourist.
You all realize that 99% of the time, Osama bin Laden didn't attack anything, right?
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 9, 2023 12:13:32 GMT -5
The weather was so nice on the unsinkable Titanic. Musicians performed outside on the deck while some passengers boarded small boats for a late night excursion. It was a mostly peaceful evening. I saw the first part of a film made by some guy named Zapruder. It was a warm sunny day, President Kennedy was smiling and waving from his car to all the people beside the road. Why does this Oswald guy gt such a bad rap? I saw security video on TV of Mohamed Atta boarding a plane. Obviously just a peaceful tourist. You all realize that 99% of the time, Osama bin Laden didn't attack anything, right? Yep. So what? |
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 9, 2023 12:34:52 GMT -5
"He set to work to exercise himself in crimestop. He presented himself with propositions — 'the Party says the earth is flat', 'the party says that ice is heavier than water' — and trained himself in not seeing or not understanding the arguments that contradicted them. It was not easy. It needed great powers of reasoning and improvisation. The arithmetical problems raised, for instance, by such a statement as 'two and two make five' were beyond his intellectual grasp. It needed also a sort of athleticism of mind, an ability at one moment to make the most delicate use of logic and at the next to be unconscious of the crudest logical errors. Stupidity was as necessary as intelligence, and as difficult to attain."
- George Orwell, 1984
See, that pesky English Literature degree does have some usefulness.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Mar 9, 2023 12:50:09 GMT -5
Crossfire. Over the course of the show there were various people in right and left wing roles. Carlson was one of them. Yeah, I knew that part. Now, who was the other guy who got his own show that followed Tucker's. Maybe Keith Olbermann? |
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Post by brucemacneill on Mar 9, 2023 13:44:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I knew that part. Now, who was the other guy who got his own show that followed Tucker's. Maybe Keith Olbermann? Nope. It just came to me "Hardball with Chris Matthews" was the one I was trying to remember. It was on CNBC from 1997 until 1999 after which it moved to CNBC and eventually to MSNBC. He's not on now but apparently is still alive. |
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Post by epaul on Mar 9, 2023 14:04:04 GMT -5
If the prosecution has a batch of film they are using as evidence (in whole or in part) and the defense requests access to this evidence the prosecution is planning to introduce (in whole or in part) in order to prepare their defense, the prosecution is obligated by law, by the court, by our system of justice, to make this evidence available to the defense.
If they don't, and it is discovered, it is a mistrial. It doesn't matter what the guy did or how guilty he is. the prosecution cheated and the case is tossed. Or in this case, re-tried.
This is the rule of law. If the cops cheat (grab stuff without probably cause or search warrant), if the prosecution cheats (withholds evidence the defense had a right to have access to), that's a mistrial or case tossed kind stuff. It is aggravating, but this country has long decided that the integrity of the system is more important than the good fortune of an individual crook.
In Shamen guy's case, we'll eventually find out whether this is a case of the prosecution cheating or whether it's just another case of a defense lawyer complaining he got screwed. Both happen. Prosecutors cheat and defense lawyers complain. If there is any actionable merit to any of this, a judge somewhere will decide whether it is cheating or complaining.
(a judge, not Facebook)
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Post by millring on Mar 9, 2023 14:04:27 GMT -5
"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..." "You mean, it comes from a world of lizards?" "No," said Ford, who by this time was a little more rational and coherent than he had been, having finally had the coffee forced down him, "nothing so simple. Nothing anything like so straightforward. On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people." "Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy." "I did," said Ford. "It is." "So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?" "It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want." "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?" "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?" "Because there are only ever lizards to vote for," said Ford, "...and some lizard once posited that by not voting for one lizard you have, in fact, actually voted for the other lizard." "But that's not true, right? I mean, if everyone stopped voting for lizards something else might actually run for office, right? Like maybe ostriches, for example?" "I said," said Ford, with an increasing air of urgency creeping into his voice, "have you got any gin?" "I'll look. Tell me about the lizards." Ford shrugged again. "Some people say that the lizards are the best thing that ever happened to them. On the other hand, they also say that lizards are the devil incarnate -- just not the lizard they voted for," he said. "They're completely wrong of course, completely and utterly wrong, but someone's got to say it." "But that's terrible," said Arthur. "Listen, bud," said Ford, "if I had one Altairian dollar for every time I heard one bit of the Universe look at another bit of the Universe and say 'That's terrible' I wouldn't be sitting here like a lemon looking for a gin." - So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish |
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Post by millring on Mar 9, 2023 14:08:26 GMT -5
Your facebook page appears to be significantly different from mine. All my facebook page has to say about any of this is that Fox News is always lying and that barium carbonate can replace lithium carbonate as a flux but it will never make spodumene blush orange like the lithium did. |
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Post by TKennedy on Mar 9, 2023 14:19:51 GMT -5
My Facebook feed is mostly pictures of what people are eating.
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Post by Dub on Mar 9, 2023 15:41:25 GMT -5
Your facebook page appears to be significantly different from mine. All my facebook page has to say about any of this is that Fox News is always lying and that barium carbonate can replace lithium carbonate as a flux but it will never make spodumene blush orange like the lithium did. I’m only on Facebook once every week or two and only use it with close friends and family plus necessary music stuff. Nothing about Fox News or politics shows up in my feed. I do get many exciting offers for little red and blue hearing aids and razors from some guy called Harry. I’ve never seen razor ads from Occam. Usually, I don’t even look at my feed. I just look at the notifications and respond to any that seem to need a response. |
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