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Post by epaul on Apr 14, 2007 11:04:33 GMT -5
I can not only achieve, but exceed, all of these various and sundry sonorous delights you all are struggling with simply by strapping on a harmonica and layering its dulcimer-like sweetness over three or four cowboy chords.
And not only does this so very precious pairing allow me to gambol and frolic in harmonic meadows without abusing finger or brain, I get to practice my pucker for the ladies at the same time.
And if by eternity’s end I should near exhaust this melodic stream, a capo and new harp will open dear heaven’s dew-kissed arms anew.
Paul
(e-harmonica lessons available--- e-packages beginning for as little a $49.99)
(not really. But for a couple beers, I sometimes might offer a tip or two)
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Post by knobtwister on Apr 14, 2007 11:07:50 GMT -5
I can't believe a 5 page thread is still (mostly) about the original subject.
Don
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Post by timfarney on Apr 14, 2007 11:11:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the edit Tim. I perceived that initially as a bit snippy. Would you also concede that chords in an alternative tuning can't be played as well as in standard tuning? There are tons of things - chords and otherwise - that work much better in standard tuning for me, if that's what you're asking. But really, I only mess with drop D and double drop D, though I keep telling myself I'm going to explore some others. I really like the sound of open strings ringing against fretted ones, especially when the fretted notes are moving and the harmony is changing. I've found a lot of ways to get this in standard, but my few exploration in altered tunings tell me there's a whole lot more of it to be found and used there. Tim
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Post by epaul on Apr 14, 2007 11:11:49 GMT -5
A dinosaur was discovered clutching stone-carved religious texts, and a thermometer, in Iraq.
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Post by lpattis on Apr 14, 2007 11:14:16 GMT -5
Geez, I miss out on all the fun.
These days I play and compose pieces exclusively in DADGAD, so am I allowed to express support for Dropped-D and CGDGAD tunings as ways to explore and expand one's musical/melodic horizons?
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Post by epaul on Apr 14, 2007 11:27:50 GMT -5
Well, I suppose if you can't really get the hang of a harmonica, alternate tunings are ok.
We are all musical brothers and should support each other on this journey. You take the high road and I'll take the low road, and all that.
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Post by timfarney on Apr 14, 2007 11:38:13 GMT -5
Geez, I miss out on all the fun. These days I play and compose pieces exclusively in DADGAD, so am I allowed to express support for Dropped-D and CGDGAD tunings as ways to explore and expand one's musical/melodic horizons? Sure. Jump right in. DADGAD is just one string away from double Drop D. I can't believe we got to five pages on this. That usually takes religion or politics. Tim
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Post by chak on Apr 14, 2007 11:55:12 GMT -5
I can't believe we got to five pages on this. That usually takes religion or politics. A discussion of tunings is kinda like religion, no? I sat in a concert about a year ago listening to a local celtic group (guitar, bodhran, flute, uilean (sp?) pipe, etc.) fully expecting the guitarist to be in DADGAD or some other modal tuning. He wasn't. He was in drop-D. I spoke with him after the concert and he said he uses DADGAD too but sometimes prefers drop-D because it adds an interesting twist to the music. As Camalex said, different strokes........ Paul, pray tell more about the dinosaur in Iraq.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 12:22:56 GMT -5
Geez, I miss out on all the fun. These days I play and compose pieces exclusively in DADGAD, so am I allowed to express support for Dropped-D and CGDGAD tunings as ways to explore and expand one's musical/melodic horizons? Good to see my sometime touring partner here...although he should be finishing up his new CD. He's got 11 tunes done, I believe, all in...shhhhhhh...DADGAD tuning. El
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Post by Supertramp78 on Apr 14, 2007 12:59:58 GMT -5
Cheney -- I suspect that you are attributing your horseshit post to me. So try to get your thoughts together before you turn strident. I NEVER made that argument and your post offends me. You never suggested buying a baritone guitar to avoid the need for alt tunings? "As opposed to alternative tunings, and seven string instruments, please consider the baritone guitar" "El -- are you kidding? Okay -- use a baritone guitar using standard tuning intervals. Your lowest C is 6th string first fret. You can work the rest out. Point is that it can be done." I could also point out the other posters who also thought your main point was to say basically that if you only knew your way around a fretboard, you wouldn't need alt tunings, a comment that on its face is rather insulting - unless your comment was misunderstood. Fact of the matter is there are things that can be done with a regular guitar in alt tunings that are impossible in standard. Multiple examples have been shown to you and the only thing you can say in response is either: Well I'll just drop some of those notes I can't play and call it OK or Buy a different instrument. Ok. But that really wasn't the topic was it? I mean we could all play piano if we wanted to and avoid all this bother of only having six notes to play at one time. Of course if you would prefer to hurl insults at me, feel free. It certainly wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by John B on Apr 14, 2007 13:00:17 GMT -5
I think RIchard Thompson uses Drop-D quite a lot - more than I would have imagined listening to his music.
Last winter I was attempting a Lonnie Johnson song which happened to be in drop DG (DGDGBE). After giving up on Lonnie, suddenly I found myself playing "Joy to the World" in G - the notes were right under my fingers. Then I dropped the 6th string to C to have an open 4th. The song fell right into place. I found I only played that C three times, but each time it needed to be there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 16:28:59 GMT -5
Cheney -- I wouldn't think of it (hurling) -- but clearly you would. My point was and is simply to consider the advantages of a baritone guitar as opposed to futzing with alternative tunings. CHrist, some of you people need to open your minds!
El -- you are selling something right?
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Post by timfarney on Apr 14, 2007 17:07:25 GMT -5
I don't think anybody's mind is closed, David. No one has suggested that a baritone is a bad idea or a useless tool, they've just pointed out that it is not a replacement for altered tunings on a standard guitar.
Tim
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 17:11:13 GMT -5
Tim -- I pointed out it was an alternative to altered tunings! Has anyone here tried a baritone guitar? What the heck is wrong with some of these people? They are like lemmings --
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Post by Doug on Apr 14, 2007 17:21:58 GMT -5
I have tried one. Kind of liked the sound, but not the scale. I can't reach the tuners from standard playing position. I don't even like playing Martin long scale much cause it's a stretch. Short people got no reason
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2007 17:22:11 GMT -5
I can't believe a 5 page thread is still (mostly) about the original subject. .... Doing my part to get to six pages
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Post by j on Apr 14, 2007 17:35:50 GMT -5
no you didn't. the chord you presented, altered at your convenience, sounds nothing like the one Bill and the others asked you to re-create.
You can cheat all you want. Baritone guitars are not a replacement for alternate tunings. Somewhat alternative, mayhaps. But each can do things the other cannot.
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Post by timfarney on Apr 14, 2007 18:20:17 GMT -5
Tim -- I pointed out it was an alternative to altered tunings! Has anyone here tried a baritone guitar? What the heck is wrong with some of these people? They are like lemmings -- Sorry, David. I don't see anything wrong with any of these people. I see you questioning the validity of alternate tunings and, arguably, those who use them... ...and I see you asserting that a baritone guitar tuned to standard intervals can do anything altered tunings can do... ...and I see people disagreeing with you while remaining quite civil about the whole thing. Am I missing something? Tim
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Post by Tim Alexander (fmrly. Camalex) on Apr 14, 2007 19:26:30 GMT -5
David -- so are you selling something... like a baritone?
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Post by Tamarack on Apr 14, 2007 21:15:33 GMT -5
I hope Cribbs is kicking back this evening and enjoying some Drop-D explorations.
I like epaul's approach -- capo your guitar and find a different key of harp, and explore for fossilized dinosaurs -- find a dinosaur clutching religious texts and you can write a controversial best-seller.
I got some great harmonica lessons from epaul and didn't even need to buy him a beer (although I owe him one). The harmonic equivalent to alternative tunings is a low-keyed harp. I recently acquired Low-D and Low-F Big Rivers -- they are great fun.
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