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Post by SteveO on Apr 15, 2007 12:14:20 GMT -5
Holy Moly ...LOL I don't believe I actually read this whole thread... where did all the anger come from???
I have to agree with Jawbone on this one....
I always thought it was about the Good Vibrations that the strings along with the wood that makes it (the Good Vibrations)audible to our ears and our hearts......
The Serenity Prayer comes to my mind after reading all of this....
carry on
on Edit: hey I made page #7
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Post by t-bob on Apr 15, 2007 12:32:00 GMT -5
"The Serenity Prayer comes to my mind after reading all of this...."
LOL. Having just returned from an AA meeting, I can relate. Who woulda thought that Drop D would raise such a ruckus?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 12:33:45 GMT -5
Cutaways are for weenies*
*unless I am currently playing or selling one.
HTH,
El
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Post by lpattis on Apr 15, 2007 13:11:40 GMT -5
I'll get you for that, El!
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Post by timfarney on Apr 15, 2007 13:18:18 GMT -5
The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on life. Attitude, to me, is more important than facts. It is more important than the past, the education, the money, than circumstances, than failure, than successes, than what other people think or say or do. It is more important than appearance, giftedness or skill. It will make or break a company... a church... a home. The remarkable thing is we have a choice everyday regarding the attitude we will embrace for that day. We cannot change our past... we cannot change the fact that people will act in a certain way. We cannot change the inevitable. The only thing we can do is play on the six strings we have, and that is our attitude. I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% of how I react to it. And so it is with you... we are in charge of our Attitudes. I agree with that, and in the spirit of it, I hung with the antagonist in this thread all day yesterday, giving him the benefit of the doubt at every turn. But when I logged on this morning and saw that his last post last night threatened someone personally, I was done with the benefit of the doubt. I still don't feel the need to demean him or call him names or threaten him, but point out to him that he is the problem here, begining with his very first post? I'm on that like white on rice. And that's just because I'm not a mod. If I were, I would have cut him off at the threat. Tim
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 13:27:16 GMT -5
I'll get you for that, El! I wanted to make sure you were around... E
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 20:03:55 GMT -5
I stand by my position. Farney -- You want to petition to cut me off - jump. I threatened no one however I WILL NOT TOLERATE being defamed. Its the same position most reasonable persons will take.
And clearly El has something to sell. In my opinion, -- oh the heck with my opinion, but suffice it to say that I wish him well.
Camalax -- may I suggest that a basic music theory or beginners guitar book will help you understand what a chord is. It will likely also help you understand voicings and the variety of wonderful chordal variations that are available in both standard and alternative tunings. If you need more help feel free not to contact me as my teaching schedule cannot accomodate another student.
Lastly, try a baritone guitar. You may find that I was right all along.
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Post by lpattis on Apr 15, 2007 20:21:19 GMT -5
I wanted to make sure you were around... E Yeah, I'm watching this nonsense with great sadness. I'm referring, of course, to this nonsense: Lastly, try a baritone guitar. You may find that I was right all along. Wrong. A baritone tuned to the same intervals as with standard guitar tuning is simply a guitar that is tuned to a lower pitch...it can give you NONE of the voicings of an altered tuning. None. Period. This is not disputable, in fact. ...and this: And clearly El has something to sell. In my opinion, its not worth the money. You are welcome to your opinion on this, of course. However, with 11 very successful CD titles, 7 (or is it eight or nine?) solo Mel Bay books, several videos and DVD Workshops with Stefan Grossman, well, it appears that your opinion would be in the minority! El doesn't need anyone defending him on this, the work (and the results) speaks volumes about El's music, indeed his commercial acceptance, and for sure, his soul... So it goes. Please direct us to your published work. I'll render an opinion on that shortly after I can review it's merits, or lack thereof.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2007 20:30:15 GMT -5
Pattis - I apologize. Clearly there is no room for another considered opinion here. I will, however, try to live with myself and find enjoyment were I can even if it means that I cannot revel in El's vast body of work. He should be honored for whatever value others may see in it. I will try to find a way to appreciate his work as much as you. I'm sure that if I try hard I may be able to achieve some level of appreciation such that I, too, can be accepted by this august collection of guitar players. Mea culpa, mea culpa.
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Post by billhammond on Apr 15, 2007 20:34:05 GMT -5
Pattis - I apologize. Clearly there is no room for another considered opinion here. I will, however, try to live with myself and find enjoyment were I can even if it means that I cannot revel in El's vast body of work. He should be honored for whatever value others may see in it. I will try to find a way to appreciate his work as much as you. I'm sure that if I try hard I may be able to achieve some level of appreciation such that I, too, can be accepted by this august collection of guitar players. Mea culpa, mea culpa. David, why are you behaving this way? You are not amusing anyone, nor are you enlightening anyone. You have, for some reason, decided to take a perfectly straightforward, pleasant and civil discussion among conversants and inject vitriol, sarcasm and ill will into it. Why?
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Post by lpattis on Apr 15, 2007 20:40:28 GMT -5
Pattis - I apologize. Clearly there is no room for another considered opinion here. I will, however, try to live with myself and find enjoyment were I can even if it means that I cannot revel in El's vast body of work. He should be honored for whatever value others may see in it. I will try to find a way to appreciate his work as much as you. I'm sure that if I try hard I may be able to achieve some level of appreciation such that I, too, can be accepted by this august collection of guitar players. Mea culpa, mea culpa. I said that you were welcome to your opinion. You will be in the minority. Nothing wrong with that. As a member of the minority, you are under no obligation to enjoy what El does...nor are you obligated to enjoy anything that anyone does that might disagree with your view. Please open your eyes when reading posts. It's a real shame if you actually play guitar, and don't understand enough about the instrument to figure out that altered tunings do offer something different, and something unattainable, voicing-wise, compared to standard tuning. Best of luck with figuring this out. I'm waiting to hear about being directed to some of your published work, albums/CDs, books, DVDs, magazine articles, teaching materials, etc., so I can discern whether or not you should be taken seriously, or simply ignored like the behavior of the ignorant trolling twit that you have so far evidenced.
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Post by Jawbone on Apr 15, 2007 20:55:08 GMT -5
Hey Bill, I heard this story years ago. Just thought of it now. As based on your "Why?" There was a big flood. A frog was sitting happily floating in the middle of it. A scorpion, barely hanging on to his blade of grass asked the frog if he could join him on the frogs back. The frog said “NO.” The scorpion said “Why?” The frog said, “It’s your nature as a scorpion to sting.” “NO,NO,NO,” the scorpion replied, “Then we would both die., I‘m not stupid.” The frog thought out these facts and said, “Ok, hop on.” Within seconds the scorpion stung the frog. The sinking frog asked, “Why, Why, Why?” the scorpion replied, “It’s my nature.”
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Post by billhammond on Apr 15, 2007 20:56:53 GMT -5
Hey Bill, I heard this story years ago. Just thought of it now. As based on your "Why?" There was a big flood. A frog was sitting happily floating in the middle of it. A scorpion, barely hanging on to his blade of grass asked the frog if he could join him on the frogs back. The frog said “NO.” The scorpion said “Why?” The frog said, “It’s your nature as a scorpion to sting.” “NO,NO,NO,” the scorpion replied, “Then we would both die., I‘m not stupid.” The frog thought out these facts and said, “Ok, hop on.” Within seconds the scorpion stung the frog. The sinking frog asked, “Why, Why, Why?” the scorpion replied, “It’s my nature.” Was the scorpion using standard tuning?
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Post by Jawbone on Apr 15, 2007 21:03:15 GMT -5
standard is only a name. it is not god of guitar.
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Post by billhammond on Apr 15, 2007 21:04:54 GMT -5
standard is only a name. it is not god of guitar. I prefer using the term Missionary Tuning. p.s. I did enjoy the joke, thanks for it!
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Post by roylundelius on Apr 15, 2007 21:08:14 GMT -5
Yeah, the god of guitar used flatted standard tuning.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 15, 2007 21:14:21 GMT -5
It might be a good idea, in the interests of peace and good will, to let this thread drop.
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Post by Jawbone on Apr 15, 2007 21:17:37 GMT -5
Ok, I'm with ya roy. but I think we have progressed to, 'FMT' (flatted missionary tuning). 'Standard' is you know, 'standard'. I myself, use 'Original' tuning.
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Post by lpattis on Apr 15, 2007 21:20:47 GMT -5
I'm into origami tuning....
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Post by Jawbone on Apr 15, 2007 21:24:41 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm turning more towards origami tuning also. Must be the 100 monkey thingy.
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