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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 10:57:04 GMT -5
Grab a coffee. Very interesting.
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Post by RickW on Jun 5, 2016 11:35:38 GMT -5
Might want to sit and watch that in comfort tonight. One of my more favourite subjects.
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Post by Dub on Jun 5, 2016 11:50:00 GMT -5
Oooh. Right up my alley too. Thanks.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jun 5, 2016 12:00:01 GMT -5
Rick--don't expect much by way of historical accuracy from it. The first five minutes have a strong odor of Russian nationalist propaganda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 12:02:53 GMT -5
While the subject is very interesting the narrative is deadpan as it was, I think, translated from Russian. Never the less I may watch the whole thing tonight too.
EDIT: Russel got in there first I see.
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Post by Dub on Jun 5, 2016 12:12:17 GMT -5
Rick--don't expect much by way of historical accuracy from it. The first five minutes have a strong odor of Russian nationalist propaganda. I might be more interested in the Russian view on this than the Western view given the Byzantine Empire's role and influence there.
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Post by Russell Letson on Jun 5, 2016 12:17:38 GMT -5
Mark--Do a bit of Googling and note the politico-cultural sponsors of the documentary. I'd approach it with the same degree of caution I would a Vatican-sponsored history of the papacy. (Yeah, I'm evaluating sources here--but that's part of what I was trained to do as an academic and what my editors expected of me as a journalist.)
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Post by james on Jun 5, 2016 12:19:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 13:23:36 GMT -5
Definitely pro Eastern Orthodox Christianity but still interesting, at least to me, because I know so little about Byzantium. Once my interest is piqued, I check other sources.
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Post by Dub on Jun 5, 2016 13:38:43 GMT -5
Mark--Do a bit of Googling and note the politico-cultural sponsors of the documentary. I'd approach it with the same degree of caution I would a Vatican-sponsored history of the papacy. (Yeah, I'm evaluating sources here--but that's part of what I was trained to do as an academic and what my editors expected of me as a journalist.) Thank you, Russell. I'll try to be wary.
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Post by Dub on Jun 5, 2016 13:42:01 GMT -5
Definitely pro Eastern Orthodox Christianity but still interesting, at least to me, because I know so little about Byzantium. Once my interest is piqued, I check other sources. As a guy who spent thirty-five years in the Eastern Orthodox Church beginning with the Russian OCA in Chicago, I might be accustomed to the Eastern Orthodox view. Just sayin'.
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Post by RickW on Jun 5, 2016 13:46:19 GMT -5
I have read enough of that history inspired by western writers of various kinds, that a few from the other side would be appreciated. Our view has been just as coloured by various propaganda over the centuries.
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Post by millring on Jun 5, 2016 14:20:57 GMT -5
What a peculiar tack. It parallels the views of the American press -- that is: If a story comes from a particular point of view, it is false. That leaves only the omniscient press to sort it out. You know? ...the un-biased press with no ideological bent.
It reminds me of the anti-religion fable of the blind men and the elephant. It seems to make so much sense. It seems to be almost Solomonic in its attempt to a peaceful resolution to religions that stand in disagreement with each other. It settles the whole mess. Everyone is equally wrong. And how do we know this? ...because there is an omniscient outsider observing that it is, in fact, an elephant.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 5, 2016 14:27:15 GMT -5
What a peculiar tack. It parallels the views of the American press -- that is: If a story comes from a particular point of view, it is false. That leaves only the omniscient press to sort it out. You know? ...the un-biased press with no ideological bent. It reminds me of the anti-religion fable of the blind men and the elephant. It seems to make so much sense. It seems to be almost Solomonic in its attempt to a peaceful resolution to religions that stand in disagreement with each other. It settles the whole mess. Everyone is equally wrong. And how do we know this? ...because there is an omniscient outsider observing that it is, in fact, an elephant. Well what else would Russell do if he couldn't be the omniscient outsider?
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Post by Russell Letson on Jun 5, 2016 14:53:41 GMT -5
He'd be the guy who does a little research before offering a sweeping opinion. He's already the guy biting his tongue in response to snotty remarks.
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Post by Doug on Jun 5, 2016 14:56:24 GMT -5
What a peculiar tack. It parallels the views of the American press -- that is: If a story comes from a particular point of view, it is false. That leaves only the omniscient press to sort it out. You know? ...the un-biased press with no ideological bent. It reminds me of the anti-religion fable of the blind men and the elephant. It seems to make so much sense. It seems to be almost Solomonic in its attempt to a peaceful resolution to religions that stand in disagreement with each other. It settles the whole mess. Everyone is equally wrong. And how do we know this? ...because there is an omniscient outsider observing that it is, in fact, an elephant. Well what else would Russell do if he couldn't be the omniscient outsider? Well he plays a fine pizza box. In fact in MHO (maybe not so humble) he's the best pizza box player in the whole forum.
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Post by millring on Jun 5, 2016 15:11:08 GMT -5
He'd be the guy who does a little research before offering a sweeping opinion. He's already the guy biting his tongue in response to snotty remarks. My comment wasn't snotty. It was exschremely erudited.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 15:11:13 GMT -5
What a peculiar tack. It parallels the views of the American press -- that is: If a story comes from a particular point of view, it is false. That leaves only the omniscient press to sort it out. You know? ...the un-biased press with no ideological bent. It reminds me of the anti-religion fable of the blind men and the elephant. It seems to make so much sense. It seems to be almost Solomonic in its attempt to a peaceful resolution to religions that stand in disagreement with each other. It settles the whole mess. Everyone is equally wrong. And how do we know this? ...because there is an omniscient outsider observing that it is, in fact, an elephant. Within that Russian orthodox view of the fall of the Byzantine empire is a wise word of warning should anyone wish to heed it. However, the left wants only to warn us of the impending doom of climate change. Any other warnings concerning other possible perils are, apparently, racist, sexist or some other nasty thing from the long list of ists.
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Post by james on Jun 5, 2016 15:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 15:15:34 GMT -5
Definitely pro Eastern Orthodox Christianity but still interesting, at least to me, because I know so little about Byzantium. Once my interest is piqued, I check other sources. As a guy who spent thirty-five years in the Eastern Orthodox Church beginning with the Russian OCA in Chicago, I might be accustomed to the Eastern Orthodox view. Just sayin'. I try to never discount anything based solely on the source whether religious or otherwise. I always figure we're all intelligent adults who can make our own decisions and come to our own conclusions. Besides, growing up a Roman Catholic, I didn't find anything strange about the narrator's orthodoxy. Everyone has a POV.
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