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Post by casualplayerpaul on Aug 7, 2019 18:37:50 GMT -5
Are you referring to me, Bruce? If so, how in thee hell do these folks remind you of me? Oh, no, Bill, I was referring to casualplayerpaul. I suspect your post came while I was trying to carefully write mine. Sorry for the confusion. I would suggest that you have no clue who I am or how any of your yarn relates to me. I don’t even know how your tale relates to my nostalgia for a time when a POTUS understood that getting ragged on by the media was part of the job description, as opposed to fuel for firing up his victimhood. Enlighten me.
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Post by brucemacneill on Aug 7, 2019 18:39:55 GMT -5
Oh, no, Bill, I was referring to casualplayerpaul. I suspect your post came while I was trying to carefully write mine. Sorry for the confusion. I would suggest that you have no clue who I am or how any of your yarn relates to me. I don’t even know how your tale relates to my nostalgia for a time when a POTUS understood that getting ragged on by the media was part of the job description, as opposed to fuel for firing up his victimhood. Enlighten me. You win. I quit. Why waste time?
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Aug 7, 2019 18:55:01 GMT -5
I would suggest that you have no clue who I am or how any of your yarn relates to me. I don’t even know how your tale relates to my nostalgia for a time when a POTUS understood that getting ragged on by the media was part of the job description, as opposed to fuel for firing up his victimhood. Enlighten me. You win. I quit. Why waste time? I understand. Had there been one cogent defense of the dumpster fire that is Trump in this discussion it would have died of loneliness by now.
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Post by lar on Aug 8, 2019 9:01:44 GMT -5
What I think I know about what happened in Dayton, and the aftermath, yesterday is that it didn't deserve nearly all of the attention that the press gave it.
Last night I listened to an interview with Mayor Whaley. I believe I heard her say that during her conversation with Trump she asked if he would walk back some of the controversial rhetoric he's used lately. During the interview there were also references to Trump's visit to Dayton as being non-political. I don't recall if Mayor Whaley said that directly or not.
I can certainly understand that a local politician would want an opportunity to get her licks in while she had the president's ear. In my view, however, discussing the president's rhetoric is political and if the idea behind the presidential visit was to mourn the dead and comfort the survivors she might have thought twice about bringing up the subject at that time.
Who knows what inspired Trump to make his Twitter comments about the Mayor and Senator Brown. Based on what I've heard since the whole thing got twitterized, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump was objecting to the Mayor's comments about his rhetoric during a time when he was trying to be nice to everybody. Given the fact that Trump is often criticized for not being the "consoler in chief" I don't find it odd that Trump might react poorly to criticism when he's trying to do what everyone says he ought to do anyway.
Regardless of what one might think of Trump he is a known commodity. And his actions are, in some ways, predictable. If you poke him with a stick he pokes back harder. Whether that's a good presidential response or not isn't the point. It's what he does. Those who decide to provoke him know what they are in for.
At this point Trump can't win. Nothing he can do or say will change anything. If he talks about unity and ending racism it's not enough. Or it's worded wrong. Or he doesn't mean it. Doesn't matter. Whatever he says or does is wrong. That's just the way it is.
I think the topper on the cake is what happened recently after the New York Times published this headline: “Trump Urges Unity vs. Racism”. It was taken down and replaced because, "it did not contextualize Mr. Trump’s message on Monday . . .” Well, yeah, that and because of several thousand complaints from Democratic politicians, readers, the anti-Trump base (polar opposite of the Trump base), and even a professor emeritus of journalism at Emerson College.
It's interesting to note that the readers didn't object to those portions of the article what were critical of Trump. They only objected to the positive content about Trump.
I'm no fan of Trump but it's difficult to sit by and watch this kind of thing happen.
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Post by aquaduct on Aug 8, 2019 10:25:20 GMT -5
At this point Trump can't win. Nothing he can do or say will change anything. If he talks about unity and ending racism it's not enough. Or it's worded wrong. Or he doesn't mean it. Doesn't matter. Whatever he says or does is wrong. That's just the way it is. His supporters know that. They're used to it. Generally, it doesn't pay to open your mouth because you'll get some kind of ranting bullshit back. Every damn time. His supporters also don't talk to the media or pollsters for much the same reason. Why bother? Which is why nobody saw it coming in 2016. And 2020's already confirming what we already know. You'd think that another stadium sell out or 5 might be a clue. But apparently their hatred blinds them to the old wisdom- keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer. They'll never know what hit them.
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Aug 8, 2019 10:42:36 GMT -5
Another stadium sellout.
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Post by aquaduct on Aug 8, 2019 10:44:46 GMT -5
Another stadium sellout. If you say so.
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Post by casualplayerpaul on Aug 8, 2019 10:54:09 GMT -5
Another stadium sellout. If you say so. Try watching some network other than FOX and see the long shots. It's kind of funny, really. Him telling half full stadiums that there lines a mile long, waiting to get in. Anyway, he had one job to do yesterday- to not be an asshole. He failed. Of course. I guess his supporters think that's cool? Great. If you say so.
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Post by aquaduct on Aug 8, 2019 10:58:14 GMT -5
Try watching some network other than FOX and see the long shots. It's kind of funny, really. Him telling half full stadiums that there lines a mile long, waiting to get in. Anyway, he had one job to do yesterday- to not be an asshole. He failed. Of course. I guess his supporters think that's cool? Great. If you say so. If you say so.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Aug 9, 2019 0:54:35 GMT -5
Sidhe, do you know of any thorough and credible studies of the causes of our gun violence? Anything you can refer us to? My problem with this whole issue is that I don't think you can tackle a problem without a good idea of what's causing it. Don, this article might be of interest (or not) www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/08/mass_shootings_the_elephant_in_the_room.htmlAll;:I apologize for bumping this one back up as a side effect. Carry on.
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Post by millring on Aug 9, 2019 7:42:53 GMT -5
right wing source. immediate disqualifier.
it has to come from an objective source like the ny times or mother jones.
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Post by Dub on Aug 9, 2019 10:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by Cornflake on Aug 9, 2019 10:58:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the link.
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Post by millring on Aug 9, 2019 11:00:39 GMT -5
The truth is biased. I'm pretty sure the way past this information impasse is not by discounting sources. Especially since the right reads the left but the left has no freaking idea what the right is even talking about.
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Post by aquaduct on Aug 9, 2019 11:14:08 GMT -5
I see from that site that they rate Snopes in their least biased list. Got to be all that debunking of the Babylon Bee.
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Post by aquaduct on Aug 9, 2019 11:25:17 GMT -5
And here's the LA Times saying pretty much the same thing back on page 7. So now does the "media bias" industry implode?
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Post by billhammond on Aug 10, 2019 14:33:24 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on Aug 10, 2019 14:54:59 GMT -5
Interesting article.
I did find this sentence to be somewhat jarring:
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Post by billhammond on Aug 10, 2019 14:56:23 GMT -5
Interesting article. I did find this sentence to be somewhat jarring: That, sir, is why name spellings matter greatly.
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Post by TKennedy on Aug 12, 2019 11:16:17 GMT -5
This from a non biased source at the University Of Washington.
Qhttps://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2019/08/05/743579605/how-the-u-s-compares-to-other-countries-in-deaths-from-gun-violence
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