Post by lar on Sept 25, 2019 11:15:45 GMT -5
There is so much going on here it's hard to know where to start.
The first thing is that there is enough support among the Congressional Democrats that impeachment seems like a foregone conclusion. I can't imagine that hearings are going to add anything. So the only things for Congress to decide are the individual articles of impeachment. Seems like a committee could decide that in a few minutes. Then they take a vote and get on with it. No need to burden the public and spend tax-payers money on a drawn out impeachment process.
When the articles get over to the Senate it's certain to be dead on arrival. The Senate won't convict Trump. Pelosi already knows all of this so I have to wonder why she's willing to go through what is essentially a charade.
Question for the legal minds here: Assume for a moment that Trump is impeached, there is a successful trial in the Senate, Trump is thrown out of office, and Pence becomes president. Would that make Trump ineligible to run for president again and if he did run and win would he be allowed to take office for another term?
I am reminded of the fact that there were people calling for impeachment before Trump even took office (I never did understand how they thought it was possible to impeach someone who hadn't been sworn in as president but that didn't stop the "impeach Trump" crowd). Everything since then has led to this inevitable conclusion. Regardless of whether Trump's actions are actually worthy of impeachment proceedings, doesn't this kind of smell like a railroad job?
I am reluctant to make comparisons for fear of being accused of "false equivalencies" but in this case I feel compelled due to the political stink that surrounds this whole subject. Trump makes lots of accusations against lots of people. When he does, the media often reports that an accusation has been made without evidence. Fair enough. I suspect that the impeachment inquiry is going to include the fight for Trump's tax returns. The tax return fight seems like a fishing expedition to me, or to put it another way, a form of accusation without evidence. Put that alongside Trump's request/demand that the Ukraine investigate Biden's son and the company on whose board of directors he served, and I'm not seeing much of a difference when one considers the reported rampant corruption that existed in the Ukraine.
I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm not a big Trump fan although I don't think he's quite the ogre he's been made out to be. Prior to Trump's term in office I already had the notion that our political system had become corrupt beyond repair. Everything that's happened since then has only confirmed my suspicions. To be sure, Trump's personality and his method of conduction business hasn't helped but I think it also fair to say that from the moment the election results were announced, he was never given a much of chance.
The first thing is that there is enough support among the Congressional Democrats that impeachment seems like a foregone conclusion. I can't imagine that hearings are going to add anything. So the only things for Congress to decide are the individual articles of impeachment. Seems like a committee could decide that in a few minutes. Then they take a vote and get on with it. No need to burden the public and spend tax-payers money on a drawn out impeachment process.
When the articles get over to the Senate it's certain to be dead on arrival. The Senate won't convict Trump. Pelosi already knows all of this so I have to wonder why she's willing to go through what is essentially a charade.
Question for the legal minds here: Assume for a moment that Trump is impeached, there is a successful trial in the Senate, Trump is thrown out of office, and Pence becomes president. Would that make Trump ineligible to run for president again and if he did run and win would he be allowed to take office for another term?
I am reminded of the fact that there were people calling for impeachment before Trump even took office (I never did understand how they thought it was possible to impeach someone who hadn't been sworn in as president but that didn't stop the "impeach Trump" crowd). Everything since then has led to this inevitable conclusion. Regardless of whether Trump's actions are actually worthy of impeachment proceedings, doesn't this kind of smell like a railroad job?
I am reluctant to make comparisons for fear of being accused of "false equivalencies" but in this case I feel compelled due to the political stink that surrounds this whole subject. Trump makes lots of accusations against lots of people. When he does, the media often reports that an accusation has been made without evidence. Fair enough. I suspect that the impeachment inquiry is going to include the fight for Trump's tax returns. The tax return fight seems like a fishing expedition to me, or to put it another way, a form of accusation without evidence. Put that alongside Trump's request/demand that the Ukraine investigate Biden's son and the company on whose board of directors he served, and I'm not seeing much of a difference when one considers the reported rampant corruption that existed in the Ukraine.
I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm not a big Trump fan although I don't think he's quite the ogre he's been made out to be. Prior to Trump's term in office I already had the notion that our political system had become corrupt beyond repair. Everything that's happened since then has only confirmed my suspicions. To be sure, Trump's personality and his method of conduction business hasn't helped but I think it also fair to say that from the moment the election results were announced, he was never given a much of chance.