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Post by patrick on Feb 26, 2020 15:38:14 GMT -5
The eminent virologist Larry Kudlow has assured us that the admin has the situation locked down like a drum, so there's no reason to worry. Since he's gotta be at least as good at epidemiology as he was at stock picking, I trust him. Meanwhile, some guy named Tony Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the NIH is not so sanguine. Fake science, he's probably a Sanders supporter. There is absolutely no evidence that this virus is engineered by anyone. Its RNA sequence is known and shows no signs of human tinkering. Furthermore, coronaviruses are simply not attractive as bioweapons. I don't know what lab director has died of this, but a lot of doctors in China have died while treating patients. Coronavirus: The noted victims of the virus in WuhanWant to protect yourself against infectious diseases? Go get your flu vaccine. While you're there, all you geezers should also get the pneumonia vaccine. And shingles, now that supplies have returned. More steps? Wash your hands. Often. Stop absentmindedly touching your face and eyes and nose and mouth. In grocery stores around her, there are containers of disinfectant wipes at the doors, use those to wipe down shopping carts and equipment at the gym, if you go. As for conferences and cruise ships and the like, you might want to wait and see if the organizers cancel, then you'll get your money back. Also, you should have bought trip insurance.
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Post by RickW on Feb 26, 2020 15:51:15 GMT -5
Did anyone say that this had been engineered? The only think I’ve heard was that a doctor in China blew the whistle on this happening long before the Chinese government did anything of note. He’s now passed away from the virus as well.
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Post by millring on Feb 26, 2020 16:53:27 GMT -5
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Feb 26, 2020 16:55:58 GMT -5
On China, and honesty: in the past couple of days, reported cases out of Italy have tripled. South Korea went from single/double digits to 1,200 cases. But, amazingly, China is still reporting only 78K—hardly any more cases than the last last 4 or 5 times I refreshed that Johns Hopkins tracker over the last week. Amazing job they’re doing nipping transmission in the bud, by official numbers! Either they’re not telling the truth, or they’re bringing their euthanasia A-game to bear. Regardless, round file those stats. My lay/gut opinion, worth what you paid: your statistical likelihood of dying from the virus is pretty darn low. But your liklihood of exposure, and possibly being sick as a dog is greater. And your likelihood of experiencing supply chain interruptions is very high. I remember when Nordstroms and the Bon/Macy’s here in Spokane shut down during peak retail season, because they didn’t have enough healthy employees to open the stores, due to an especially virulent strain of flu allegedly coming out of Russia in the mid-90s. That is a very real possibility this time around, too. JMO.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Feb 26, 2020 16:57:23 GMT -5
Actually the third option is that China has given up on counting.
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Post by majorminor on Feb 26, 2020 17:03:56 GMT -5
Actually the third option is that China has given up on counting. Restating my honest question to anyone here - is the flow of on the ground information in China in fact so controlled that if people were dying en masse their government could suppress the truth?
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Post by millring on Feb 26, 2020 17:12:51 GMT -5
Actually the third option is that China has given up on counting. Restating my honest question to anyone here - is the flow of on the ground information in China in fact so controlled that if people were dying en masse their government could suppress the truth? A pretty reliable rule of thumb: When China agrees with Trump they are lying. When China contradicts Trump they are telling the truth.
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Post by Marshall on Feb 26, 2020 17:37:02 GMT -5
Like Trump actually cares about truth.
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Post by Russell Letson on Feb 26, 2020 18:00:20 GMT -5
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Post by Cornflake on Feb 26, 2020 18:31:38 GMT -5
That seems level-headed, Russell.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Feb 26, 2020 18:34:46 GMT -5
Mike
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Post by factorychef on Feb 26, 2020 18:59:56 GMT -5
Yikes. We will be safe with Pence in charge of the virus fight. Right Rob ??
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Post by Cornflake on Feb 26, 2020 19:02:56 GMT -5
"Restating my honest question to anyone here - is the flow of on the ground information in China in fact so controlled that if people were dying en masse their government could suppress the truth?"
I think there's a clear answer: I don't know and neither does anyone else. We haven't seen it happen so we have no previous experience to go by.
But my guess is no. Mass deaths wouldn't go unnoticed. Word of mouth is powerful. People tend to believe their friends and neighbors more than their governments. Any attempt to suppress such information would probably just erode the government's credibility.
I was recently reading a history of WWI. Until pretty much the end, the German government told the public that the war was being won. But everyone knew someone who was serving in the army. They knew better. So the Kaiser got bounced and Germany capitulated. That's a slight oversimplification, I'll admit, but all history is an oversimplification.
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Post by jdd2 on Feb 26, 2020 19:33:09 GMT -5
There's a germaphobe liar in charge of the US and people are worried about china not telling the truth? As long as you're going to shelter indoors, make sure to have your guns ready to kill any virus zombies that ring your doorbell. The US is a friggin dream come true for this virus--people without health coverage, expensive co-pays and high deductibles. And the advice is going to be stay home and/or get tested--for people who live on their paychecks, don't get sick leave, don't get paid if they don't go to work (and may even get fired), have to pay thru the nose for their own testing (and will have to pay for their own vaccine, if & when). People who drag themselves to work at low level retail jobs and wait staff? Uber drivers (and other gig economy workers)? Yeah, they'll self-quarantine after going to get tested on their own dime... ...and it'll all be just as effective as when people with diabetes ration their insulin to themselves. (sorry) www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-test-medical-bill-china-us-miami-osmel-martinez-azcue-a9358146.html
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Feb 26, 2020 20:10:27 GMT -5
Senator John Kennedy, REPUBLICAN from Louisiana, grilled and embarrassed Chad Wolf, Secretary of Homeland Security, who is charged with protecting us. (Before Trump named Pence.) Wolf, who like many Trump appointees, is "acting" in his job, and has never been vetted for competency, was totally clueless. Kennedy tore him a new one. It was sad that someone in such a job should be so unprepared.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Feb 26, 2020 21:09:14 GMT -5
Actually the third option is that China has given up on counting. Restating my honest question to anyone here - is the flow of on the ground information in China in fact so controlled that if people were dying en masse their government could suppress the truth? Within the local affected areas? No way. Beyond the borders of the country? Yes way. For reasons that I don't want to go into, I believe that there are a lot more deaths than the official reports. As in, people going straight from hospitals to incinerators without being counted as either infected or dead, in some instances. Sounds about right. One thing: a vaccine is in development, and should be ready and available by next year. Gotta get through this year, obviously, but that’s some good news.
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Post by james on Feb 26, 2020 21:24:48 GMT -5
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Post by james on Feb 26, 2020 21:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by patrick on Feb 26, 2020 22:03:40 GMT -5
Did anyone say that this had been engineered? The only think I’ve heard was that a doctor in China blew the whistle on this happening long before the Chinese government did anything of note. He’s now passed away from the virus as well. Another eminent scientist that has Trump's ear, Rush Limbaugh (he of Medal of Freedom fame) opined thusly: " It probably is a ChiCom laboratory experiment that is in the process of being weaponized. All superpower nations weaponize bioweapons."
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Post by epaul on Feb 26, 2020 22:19:02 GMT -5
SNOPES is an undercover agency run by CIA.
(No, it isn't. I made that up. Don't put it on Facebook.
You can put up my research indicating that Trump was in fact born on Pluto and raised as a child by an illiterate tribe of baboons.)
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