Dub
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I'm gettin' so the past is the only thing I can remember.
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Post by Dub on Apr 19, 2020 14:34:09 GMT -5
Here in Iowa we’re trying to reproduce New York’s experience as fast as we can and having some success. We’re listed as having beds and ventilators but the rural areas have extremely limited medical resources, if any.
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Post by epaul on Apr 19, 2020 14:48:46 GMT -5
But that is by good design. In ND and MN and every other state in this country, rural areas are served by centralized medical facilities located in urban areas. It would be foolish to try locate a fully-equipped medical facility in a rural area that may only have 4 or 5 people per square mile. Full-service hospitals are designed to serve a given population base in order to be both efficient and effective. Some folks may have to drive 50 miles or so for advanced medical treatment, but that is country. They may drive 50 miles to get to the nearest Home Depot, Target or Red Lobster as well... and they think nothing of it. That's what I drove most of my life, and I thought nothing of it. It was a nice drive with no traffic.
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Apr 19, 2020 17:56:41 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 19, 2020 17:56:41 GMT -5
Is the greater New York metropolitan area the United States' canary in the mineshaft, or is it an anomaly that is unlikely to be reproduced anywhere else in the country? Of course it's an anomaly. It's the most densely packed city in the country with all the additional issues you could name (homelessness, etc.). That's not found anywhere else. Unfortunately many of these idiot governors don't get that at all. Big cities are magnets for this stuff. That's why I live out here.
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Post by Cornflake on Apr 19, 2020 18:42:42 GMT -5
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Post by TKennedy on Apr 19, 2020 19:04:19 GMT -5
Well the virus will do it’s thing, humans will do their thing and some outcome will happen. I don’t know what it will be.
The only thing that is totally predictable with 100% certainty is that when the dust settles every asshole on the internet and in politics will claim they were right all along.
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Post by jdd2 on Apr 19, 2020 19:15:21 GMT -5
Japan now at almost 11k confirmed cases, 238 dead.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 19, 2020 19:28:58 GMT -5
Thank you for that. It's about time.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 19, 2020 22:21:30 GMT -5
Japan now at almost 11k confirmed cases, 238 dead. Just out of curiosity (not really, I know roughly what the answer is already), 11,000 cases out of how many actually tested?
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Post by Chesapeake on Apr 19, 2020 22:46:40 GMT -5
There is circumstantial evidence that we are at war with China. We (and the rest of the world) already may have been Pearl Harbored. We just don't know it.
Consider:
There is good reason to believe this is a bio-engineered bug. It seems designed to cause the worst possible damage between the beginning of the outbreak and the development of a vaccine.
Is one and a half years enough time to bring about the economic and military collapse of the world powers, sparing only China? How could that even happen?
The pandemic broke out in Wuhan, site of a preeminent government microbiological lab. When I wrote about biological weapons some twenty years ago for the National Geographic news service, China was one of the countries believed by U.S. intelligence officials to be conducting research into weaponizing microbes, in contravention of international agreements.
To this day the Chinese are very secretive about the origins of this outbreak. An army general is handling the affair.
An accidental leak due to sloppy laboratory practices? That speculation has been put forth, and, indeed, the lab had been cited for maintaining substandard security. So that has to be weighed - along with, of course, the "wet market" theory involving batburgers.
But if it was an act of war, what of the cost to its own people? Consider:
One thing China has plenty of is people. Enough to not miss a few million sacrificed for a good cause?
Maybe they did what they could to minimize collateral damage among their own.Though the bug broke out in China, Beijing used its authoritarian powers to limit its spread inside China's borders. In the meantime they allowed unfettered travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world, essentially seeding the planet.
For whatever reason, as of today, China ranks eighth on a list composed otherwise of leading industrialized countries in total number of cases. China comes in behind the U.S., Spain, Italy, France, Germany, the UK, and Turkey.
I've long admired the Chinese people and their culture. I've reported from Taiwan. For eight years I studied a Southern style of kung-fu in DC's Chinatown. It was known for its low kicks and other deceptive attacks. (My sifu scoffed at practitioners of Korean Taekwondo as "ballet dancers."
There is a magical tradition in my system called Hand of Death. A master supposedly can strike an open-handed blow that barely phases his opponent, who walks away with no apparent injury. A few days later, he drops dead.
No political agenda here. Just food for thought.
Going to my bunker now.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 19, 2020 23:22:05 GMT -5
There is circumstantial evidence that we are at war with China. We (and the rest of the world) already may have been Pearl Harbored. We just don't know it. Consider: There is good reason to believe this is a bio-engineered bug. It seems designed to cause the worst possible damage between the beginning of the outbreak and the development of a vaccine. Is one and a half years enough time to bring about the economic and military collapse of the world powers, sparing only China? How could that even happen? The pandemic broke out in Wuhan, site of a preeminent government microbiological lab. When I wrote about biological weapons some twenty years ago for the National Geographic news service, China was one of the countries believed by U.S. intelligence officials to be conducting research into weaponizing microbes, in contravention of international agreements. To this day the Chinese are very secretive about the origins of this outbreak. An army general is handling the affair. An accidental leak due to sloppy laboratory practices? That speculation has been put forth, and, indeed, the lab had been cited for maintaining substandard security. So that has to be weighed - along with, of course, the "wet market" theory involving batburgers. But if it was an act of war, what of the cost to its own people? Consider: One thing China has plenty of is people. Enough to not miss a few million sacrificed for a good cause? Maybe they did what they could to minimize collateral damage among their own.Though the bug broke out in China, Beijing used its authoritarian powers to limit its spread inside China's borders. In the meantime they allowed unfettered travel from Wuhan to the rest of the world, essentially seeding the planet. For whatever reason, as of today, China ranks eighth on a list composed otherwise of leading industrialized countries in total number of cases. China comes in behind the U.S., Spain, Italy, France, Germany, the UK, and Turkey. I've long admired the Chinese people and their culture. I've reported from Taiwan. For eight years I studied a Southern style of kung-fu in DC's Chinatown. It was known for its low kicks and other deceptive attacks. (My sifu scoffed at practitioners of Korean Taekwondo as "ballet dancers." There is a magical tradition in my system called Hand of Death. A master supposedly can strike an open-handed blow that barely phases his opponent, who walks away with no apparent injury. A few days later, he drops dead. No political agenda here. Just food for thought. Going to my bunker now. Or you could consider that in the history of terrorism or bio-terrorism, this is the weakest fucking example of a weapon ever concieved. Ever. Maybe it's just a run of the mill lab fuck up. Regardless, our response has been recklessly over the top. Goddamn government bastards.
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Post by sidheguitarmichael on Apr 19, 2020 23:53:47 GMT -5
The only thing that is totally predictable with 100% certainty is that when the dust settles every asshole on the internet and in politics will claim they were right all along. Not every asshole on the net. As I’ve aged, I’ve definitely moved further that direction, and I freely admit that everything I’ve heard, read, and tracked is somewhat inconclusive. conspiracy stuff from menu A While I agree with the vast majority of what you say, and my guy reporting from Asia currently would also agree with most of what you say, I don't think this is a bioengineered virus. One reason is because a friend who’s an MD-PhD at a tier one med research campus tells me that it’s not, and two, engineered weapons are traditionally a lot more lethal, as Peter notes. So, I’m largely in the camp of this being an accidental leak from the gov’t-funded bat lab. The market thing strikes me as debunked at this point. And I certainly agree that the Chinese gov’t is capable of putting large numbers of their unwashed elderly in the dirt at the slightest provocation because; life is cheap and taking care of an aging population is expensive. I also agree that Chinese people, history and culture is amazing—but not their Gov’t; I have no problem enthusiastically bagging on Big China, because I’ve seen every indication that the Chinese people don’t especially like their Gov’t much, either. So I suppose what I’m saying is that you and I are in agreement philosophically; I just don’t think that the evidence is in favor of China purposefully letting this thing loose. "Never attribute to enemy action what can be explained by incompetence." This time. There’s got to be a reason the Gov’t funds that place...
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Post by james on Apr 20, 2020 0:13:20 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Apr 20, 2020 6:12:33 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 20, 2020 6:37:46 GMT -5
You can't possibly appreciate how much it sucks to be right.
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Post by theevan on Apr 20, 2020 7:04:13 GMT -5
The point being made is quite right. Reporting and repeating that the US leads in the CoRona is what is misleading. (WE'RE NUMBER 1! WE'RE NUMBER 1!!!!) '
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Post by james on Apr 20, 2020 8:54:29 GMT -5
When making country comparisons, the pjmedia piece doesn't remove the respective hotspots of Lombardy, Madrid and London from the covid-19 death counts for Italy, Spain and Great Britain. So there's that.
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Post by epaul on Apr 20, 2020 9:21:37 GMT -5
Good point. It is an absurd piece.
How many times do you hear someone say, "Sure, their running back gained 150 yards against us and averaged 9 yards per carry, but, if you take out those two long touchdown runs of his, then he only gained 98 yards and only averaged 5 yards per carry." and think, what an idiot.
Or this, "If you take out those three bad innings when he gave up those 12 runs, his ERA would be pretty darn good!" and think, what an idiot.
If you haven't heard similar to either, you don't know sports and need to pick your own analogy. Perhaps, "If it weren't for his voice, he would be a pretty good singer!" Or this, "Well, if you take away those 10" of rain we got last week, it's been a pretty dry month all in all."
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Post by epaul on Apr 20, 2020 9:28:04 GMT -5
If it weren't so cold, North Dakota would be a lot warmer.
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Post by aquaduct on Apr 20, 2020 9:31:02 GMT -5
Good point. It is absurd piece. How many times do you hear someone say, "Sure, their running back gained 150 yards against us and averaged 9 yards per carry, but, if you take out those two long touchdown runs of his, then he only gained 98 yards and only averaged 5 yards per carry." and think, what an idiot. Or this, "If you take out those three bad innings when he gave up those 12 runs, his ERA would be pretty darn good!" and think, what an idiot. If you haven't heard similar to either, you don't know sports and need to pick your own analogy. Perhaps, "If it weren't for his voice, he would be a pretty good singer!" Or this, "Well, if you take away those 10" of rain we got last week, it's been a pretty dry month all in all." Oh fer chrissake! That's just plain stupid. If you fucking take New York City out of the mix, the rest of the fucking country can go back to work! Is that that hard to understand?
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Post by epaul on Apr 20, 2020 9:32:16 GMT -5
What an ...
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