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Post by Marshall on Sept 7, 2022 20:15:38 GMT -5
I was thinking it'd be nice to make better quality audio for my video recordings. So, I'm thinking maybe a simple multi-track recorder all-in-one unit that I can plug a couple mics into and get separate tracks. Something simple that'll give me wav files of each track. I can edit those in the unit or outside on a computer, and bring them into video editing software, Sort of like what Josh Turner does on a smaller less ambitious scale.
Any thoughts?
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Post by John B on Sept 7, 2022 20:19:18 GMT -5
Do you want my Tascam DP-006? I don't think I've ever unboxed it. It might even be an 8-track DP-008. The box is sitting on my dresser so I even know where it is.
I played around with a DP-004 for a few years and liked it just fine. It's a standalone that is relatively easy and straightforward to record each track, and then be able to dump the WAVs for editing if necessary.
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Post by Dub on Sept 7, 2022 20:25:59 GMT -5
I was thinking it'd be nice to make better quality audio for my video recordings. So, I'm thinking maybe a simple multi-track recorder all-in-one unit that I can plug a couple mics into and get separate tracks. Something simple that'll give me wav files of each track. I can edit those in the unit or outside on a computer, and bring them into video editing software, Sort of like what Josh Turner does on a smaller less ambitious scale. Any thoughts? I think you should invest in an audio interface that you can run into your iPhone. An entry-level interface will handle your mic and guitar as separate channels allowing you to balance your sound. Most people who do a lot of Web (YouTube) work use these. At the entry level, the output will be a single stereo channel but it will be balanced and ready for upload. |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 7, 2022 22:16:21 GMT -5
Do you want my Tascam DP-006? I don't think I've ever unboxed it. It might even be an 8-track DP-008. The box is sitting on my dresser so I even know where it is. I played around with a DP-004 for a few years and liked it just fine. It's a standalone that is relatively easy and straightforward to record each track, and then be able to dump the WAVs for editing if necessary. Maybe. Let me check on it. The 06 doesn’t have XLR inputs. The 08 has 2 and a video said they have phantom power available. I’d like more than 2 inputs ideally, though I could make that work. |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 7, 2022 22:18:38 GMT -5
I was thinking it'd be nice to make better quality audio for my video recordings. So, I'm thinking maybe a simple multi-track recorder all-in-one unit that I can plug a couple mics into and get separate tracks. Something simple that'll give me wav files of each track. I can edit those in the unit or outside on a computer, and bring them into video editing software, Sort of like what Josh Turner does on a smaller less ambitious scale. Any thoughts? I think you should invest in an audio interface that you can run into your iPhone. An entry-level interface will handle your mic and guitar as separate channels allowing you to balance your sound. Most people who do a lot of Web (YouTube) work use these. At the entry level, the output will be a single stereo channel but it will be balanced and ready for upload. Probably not. I want to be able to edit each track separately. Plus I won’t always do video with the iPhone. |
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Post by John B on Sept 7, 2022 22:23:50 GMT -5
Do you want my Tascam DP-006? I don't think I've ever unboxed it. It might even be an 8-track DP-008. The box is sitting on my dresser so I even know where it is. I played around with a DP-004 for a few years and liked it just fine. It's a standalone that is relatively easy and straightforward to record each track, and then be able to dump the WAVs for editing if necessary. Maybe. Let me check on it. It is a DP-006, box unopened. If you were coming to Vinton shipping would be free. Regardless, the only cost would be shipping. |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 7, 2022 22:33:29 GMT -5
Not going to Vinton. Sorry.
Also I don’t think the 06 will work.
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Post by John B on Sept 8, 2022 7:14:30 GMT -5
Well, I haven't needed that space on the dresser yet, so I think I'll be OK where it is. I knew you weren't coming to Vinton, and am still sad about it, but I will recover  |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 8, 2022 8:16:15 GMT -5
You’re a cool dude, JohnB. I’ll miss you.
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Post by Shannon on Sept 8, 2022 9:00:46 GMT -5
Would something like the Zoom H1n work for you? I've used mine quite a bit, and have been quite pleased. |
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Post by gbacklin on Sept 8, 2022 9:37:55 GMT -5
I was thinking it'd be nice to make better quality audio for my video recordings. So, I'm thinking maybe a simple multi-track recorder all-in-one unit that I can plug a couple mics into and get separate tracks. Something simple that'll give me wav files of each track. I can edit those in the unit or outside on a computer, and bring them into video editing software, Sort of like what Josh Turner does on a smaller less ambitious scale. Any thoughts? The TASCAM Portastudio line has alway been a solid recording interface for many years. I still have my mk III to cassette.  The DP 24 SD allows for multi track recording and you can export to computer via USB. Take a look and see if this might work for you. |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 8, 2022 10:17:05 GMT -5
Yeah. That's high on the list.
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Post by Marshall on Sept 8, 2022 10:49:24 GMT -5
Interesting
The Zoom R20 is looking good for my intended purpose.
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Post by gbacklin on Sept 8, 2022 11:58:07 GMT -5
Interesting The Zoom R20 is looking good for my intended purpose. Excellent comparison. My question for Zoom. Are the files saved as uncompressed WAV files ? The Tascam specifically says that. That is important. The quality preamps does favor Zoom as well as the storage, provided they are uncompressed files. The 48/24 favors the Tascam but cd’s are natively 44.1/16, but if you want to mix on computer, your better quality is desired as from a pc, your dither algorithm will handle the conversion. Both are nice ! |
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Post by Dub on Sept 8, 2022 12:06:32 GMT -5
It depends on what you want to do with the audio. A lot of those mixers with built in analog-digital converters and USB out really only deliver a single stereo channel to the computing device (phone, tablet, desktop) so the digital audio workstation (DAW) software doesn’t see each mic and instrument as a separate track.
Some of the mixer-type interfaces do deliver separate channels to the DAW for each mic and instrument but you start to run into a lot more money. I’m thinking, that for Marshall’s use, a device that can deliver two discrete tracks to the DAW will be plenty. That will cover his recordings with voice and guitar. If he wants to add another track to the mix (without another musician in the session), he needs to record it separately anyway.
Most commercial music isn’t done “live” anymore anyway. Musicians, if any, may not be in the same city when their tracks are recorded and a lot of it is just engineered from sound sample in the DAW or BiaB.
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Post by John B on Sept 8, 2022 12:39:57 GMT -5
One thing I like about the Tascam approach to digital is that they essentially "digified" their very good analog multitrack recorders. If you happened to have an analog four-track, it was probably a Tascam. Using the digital version is still an analog process, just that the medium isn't a cassette tape. There's no seeing a visual representation of the track in recording or playback, for example. And no unlimited tracks - if you start to runout you still have to bounce/combine a couple of tracks to an unused one.
I like it because I can sit on the couch, with no computer nearby, and record tracks. Since I'm not likely to record something needing more than four tracks, or maybe a few more with some bounced tracks, the 4 or 6 worked out just fine for me.
The digital approach with computer (or phone) interfaces just takes a different workflow (and perhaps mindset) that I've just not seen fit to adapt, even though this dog is not that old and this trick is not that new. I have actually taken an Ableton Live online course, and have a copy to use (came with the synthesizers I bought back at Christmas) as it's very popular with electronic musicians. But I still like an analog approach.
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Post by gbacklin on Sept 8, 2022 13:20:10 GMT -5
It depends on what you want to do with the audio. A lot of those mixers with built in analog-digital converters and USB out really only deliver a single stereo channel to the computing device (phone, tablet, desktop) so the digital audio workstation (DAW) software doesn’t see each mic and instrument as a separate track. Some of the mixer-type interfaces do deliver separate channels to the DAW for each mic and instrument but you start to run into a lot more money. I’m thinking, that for Marshall’s use, a device that can deliver two discrete tracks to the DAW will be plenty. That will cover his recordings with voice and guitar. If he wants to add another track to the mix (without another musician in the session), he needs to record it separately anyway. Most commercial music isn’t done “live” anymore anyway. Musicians, if any, may not be in the same city when their tracks are recorded and a lot of it is just engineered from sound sample in the DAW or BiaB. I believe there are two options. 1) you can mix and bounce 2) take the raw tracks as wav then can mix in a DAW. I’m not 100% sure as I would have to look at the manual. It would also be interesting to know if the WAV files are directly accessible on the SDHC card. I’m pretty sure the Tascam stores each track as a separate mono WAV file. Once again, I would have to look at the manual. As far as A/D conversion Appogee sets the bar. I have the Duet and was purchased a long time ago when I wanted the best conversion possible. Symphony DesktopDuet 3Both above can record with quality up to 192/24, but studies have indicated there isn’t a significant difference from 96/24 to 192/24. Especially to justify the increased file size of 192. But the main difference between the above and Marshall’s picks is that the above are audio interfaces vs standalone workstation, which I think he is looking for. |
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Post by gbacklin on Sept 8, 2022 13:26:28 GMT -5
One thing I like about the Tascam approach to digital is that they essentially "digified" their very good analog multitrack recorders. If you happened to have an analog four-track, it was probably a Tascam. Using the digital version is still an analog process, just that the medium isn't a cassette tape. There's no seeing a visual representation of the track in recording or playback, for example. And no unlimited tracks - if you start to runout you still have to bounce/combine a couple of tracks to an unused one. I like it because I can sit on the couch, with no computer nearby, and record tracks. Since I'm not likely to record something needing more than four tracks, or maybe a few more with some bounced tracks, the 4 or 6 worked out just fine for me. The digital approach with computer (or phone) interfaces just takes a different workflow (and perhaps mindset) that I've just not seen fit to adapt, even though this dog is not that old and this trick is not that new. I have actually taken an Ableton Live online course, and have a copy to use (came with the synthesizers I bought back at Christmas) as it's very popular with electronic musicians. But I still like an analog approach. before Tascam there was TEAC. I still have my 3340s, 3300 half track and 3300 quarter track. They are all operational and a number of years ago I had them cleaned and calibrated. Honestly, they sound better today than back in 1973.  Now if you want to go really crazy Maramachines |
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Post by paleo on Sept 8, 2022 13:33:21 GMT -5
I was thinking it'd be nice to make better quality audio for my video recordings. So, I'm thinking maybe a simple multi-track recorder all-in-one unit that I can plug a couple mics into and get separate tracks. Something simple that'll give me wav files of each track. I can edit those in the unit or outside on a computer, and bring them into video editing software, Sort of like what Josh Turner does on a smaller less ambitious scale. Any thoughts? The TASCAM Portastudio line has alway been a solid recording interface for many years. I still have my mk III to cassette. The DP 24 SD allows for multi track recording and you can export to computer via USB. Take a look and see if this might work for you. I have both the tascam 8 and 24. The 24 is a little more difficult to operate, but of course you can get more out of it. If you ever listened to Larry Bister's recordings, they were done on a tascam 24, great sound. |
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Post by Marshall on Sept 8, 2022 17:03:09 GMT -5
Mostly I want to do 2 mics into separate tracks, plus probably a 1/4” guitar input. Of course for live work there will be bleed between voice and guitar, unless I only use the pickup for guitar. I want to do separate EQ and FX for each. Then save them as distinct WAV files. I can bring the WAV files into the video editing software.
Plus once you have something like this other possibilities will present themselves.
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