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Post by epaul on Jun 27, 2024 23:00:58 GMT -5
A disaster for Biden. I've never seen anything like it. Usually the post-debate spin is: "My guy won." "No, my guy won.
Not this time. The post-debate talk from Democrats wasn't "My guy won". It was "OMG, what are we going to do? That was disaster." The mics weren't even cold and there was talk of an "Open Convention".
I expect by tomorrow there will be organized spin in place, but the immediate, unscripted reaction after the debate was telling, and there isn't any "day after" spin that can fix it... only time.
And if time leads to reflection, reflection will lead to an understanding that there is difference between (A) having the ability to confidently churn out a thousand words a minute under bright lights regardless of whether there is any sense or truth to them and (B) having the experience and judgement to make a measured and tempered decision when given the time to consider and examine the question.
Biden may or may not be losing his marbles, but all this debate told us is that he can't talk under pressure and that he can get rattled by a machinegunning stream of bullshit. And we learned that Trump can talk a mile a minute with confidence... as can a salesman selling timeshares in a Florida swamp or explaining all the wonderful financing options for that car of your dreams. But, we knew that.
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Post by epaul on Jun 27, 2024 23:07:05 GMT -5
But, for now, Trump supporters are elated and Democrats are despondent.
As for me...OPEN CONVENTION. WITH POPCORN.
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Post by kenlarsson on Jun 27, 2024 23:56:31 GMT -5
Biden can't win.
God help us if Trump does.
I fear for our daughter and grandchildren.
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Post by millring on Jun 28, 2024 4:30:12 GMT -5
But, for now, Trump supporters are elated and Democrats are despondent. As for me...OPEN CONVENTION. WITH POPCORN. The most unbelievable thing is happening right before the eyes of 300 million people and there's not a single thing anyone can do about it. My guess is that it's just the opposite. Democrats should be elated and Republicans should be despondent. I don't see any way that Biden remains the candidate. Republicans, on the other hand, are stuck with Trump. |
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Post by millring on Jun 28, 2024 4:50:29 GMT -5
Thank god for head colds. Without them at what straw would there be to grasp?
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Post by kbcolorado on Jun 28, 2024 7:07:13 GMT -5
I'm embarrassed for our country.
The notion that this is the best we can do is surreal.
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Post by Cornflake on Jun 28, 2024 7:18:45 GMT -5
"The notion that this is the best we can do is surreal."
That's the main reason I found it painful to watch. This is what our republic has come to?
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Post by Marshall on Jun 28, 2024 7:34:07 GMT -5
Remind me, who are the candidates? We can suffer through the "leadership" of either of these bozos. History shows us we've had some baddies before. Yeah, there are consequences for many during the ups and downs of bad decisions/policies. But the nation as a whole chugs on; great economic engine that it is.
(Truthfully, I haven't watched the debate yet. I taped it. I was out singing songs last evening in a distillery. I played my political songs:
You made a promise. Said you’d be true
If we kept the faith there was nothing we couldn’t do
Now most nights you’re out
Crusading for some cause that I don’t care about
And when we talk, it’s all about you
Just say what you mean and mean what you say
You know that the Devil’s in the details
I needed help; a favor from you
You waste time on “politics,” and never followed through
Said you’re sorry more than I can mention
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
I’m warning you. You better get a clue
Just say what you mean and mean what you say
I’m getting so tired of the games that you play
There isn’t a love that’s too big to fail
You know that the Devil’s in the Details
The Devil’s in the details) |
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Post by Hobson on Jun 28, 2024 8:21:19 GMT -5
We recorded it because we didn't want to watch during dinner. So far we've seen about the first half. Of the 4 people who spoke, I would choose either of the moderators for president over either of the candidates.
I thought the moderators were fair, which surprised me.
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Post by howard lee on Jun 28, 2024 8:24:16 GMT -5
We recorded it because we didn't want to watch during dinner. So far we've seen about the first half. Of the 4 people who spoke, I would choose either of the moderators for president over either of the candidates. I thought the moderators were fair, which surprised me.
All they did was ask questions. Repeatedly, if necessary, because neither candidate seemed to respond directly to them. Does that entail moderating?
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Post by Cornflake on Jun 28, 2024 8:33:49 GMT -5
I sent an email to the White House with my thoughts. Why not share yours? Such emails do get read. The gist of mine was that the best thing Biden could do for our country now is to withdraw as a candidate. www.whitehouse.gov/contact/ |
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Post by Shannon on Jun 28, 2024 9:02:33 GMT -5
Look, the real tragedy here is that those two bozos didn't get there on their own. People voted for them. They could have done otherwise. They could have demanded better.
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Post by howard lee on Jun 28, 2024 9:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 28, 2024 9:32:19 GMT -5
Chevron has fallen.
Thank you President Trump.
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Post by howard lee on Jun 28, 2024 13:32:01 GMT -5
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Post by theevan on Jun 28, 2024 14:11:38 GMT -5
I'm embarrassed too.
Also, I'm surprised that anyone is surprised by Joe's performance.
Did Trump answer more than two questions?
We are so hosed.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 28, 2024 14:18:36 GMT -5
Serves 'em right. The leftists just couldn't stop when they were miles ahead. |
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Post by Marshall on Jun 28, 2024 14:37:14 GMT -5
Well, I watched the first 20 minutes of the debate. I fast forwarded through most of Trump, because I know enough about him to have a solid opinion. But I watched painfully how Biden performed. Very sad sorry state of affairs.
I get texts every day from "Joe" asking for a contribution to help fight against Trump. I responded today to the last 2 texts I received, "I will contribute if Joe Biden bows out of the race. He's TOO OLD !"
We'll see if this goes anywhere. The Ds are backed into a corner. If they wait until the convention to nominate a candidate, then that candidate won't be on the Michigan ballot, because it'd be less than 90 days before the election. That's why the Ds were somehow going to "officially" nominate Joe in July before the convention.
They are in a world of hurt. . . . , as are we all.
(The only realistic option for Ds is if Joe voluntarily bows out. But ego lives strong in politicians and sports figures, long after they should retire.)
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Post by howard lee on Jun 28, 2024 14:48:19 GMT -5
Serves 'em right. The leftists just couldn't stop when they were miles ahead.
Peter, I think the idea of regulation to ensure that we have clean air and water goes beyond the politics of the Left and the Right. Corporations will stop at nothing to maximize profits and minimize expenditures.
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Post by millring on Jun 28, 2024 15:00:45 GMT -5
Also, I'm surprised that anyone is surprised by Joe's performance. Why do you suppose anyone is? |
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