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Post by RickW on Jul 22, 2024 14:09:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure Harris is the best move for the Dems. I think any candidate they pick will get a bump in the polls initially; that seems to be the nature of poll results. Long-term, though, I don't get the feeling that she has generated any real enthusiasm amongst her own party, and I'm pretty sure she generates little enthusiasm amongst the non-committed voters. Plus, I suspect her candidacy would energize certain elements of the Trump constituency to get out and vote in larger numbers. But what do I know? Well, for one, she’s been at the forefront of the reproductive rights discussions. That’s going to be huge in this election. The second thing, for the non-committed, she’s not old. You can make the case that just about anyone below the age of 60 would have fit that bill, but for those who were hesitating simply because Joe was “sleepy joe,” well, she’s alive and kicking. I’ll be willing to bet she brings in a centrist while male to be her running mate, which will help sway the center as well. |
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Post by howard lee on Jul 22, 2024 14:17:41 GMT -5
Not content with digs at her articulacy or work ethic and with "DEI hire" sounding ever more like a way of swerving use of the n-word, odious Christian nationalist and bigot, Sebastian Gorka tells Newsmax viewers that Harris "very well might be the first DEI President". Sounds like he assumes she's gonna be elected.
Sounds like he's a racist douche bag.
" *correction. The quote was from co-host Bob Brooks, who was agreeing with the views expressed by Gorka."
The two of them, then.
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Post by james on Jul 22, 2024 14:18:37 GMT -5
My previous post has a correction.
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 22, 2024 14:40:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure Harris is the best move for the Dems. I think any candidate they pick will get a bump in the polls initially; that seems to be the nature of poll results. Long-term, though, I don't get the feeling that she has generated any real enthusiasm amongst her own party, and I'm pretty sure she generates little enthusiasm amongst the non-committed voters. Plus, I suspect her candidacy would energize certain elements of the Trump constituency to get out and vote in larger numbers. But what do I know? From what I see, apparently a lot. |
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Post by majorminor on Jul 22, 2024 14:45:36 GMT -5
I'm not sure Harris is the best move for the Dems. I think any candidate they pick will get a bump in the polls initially; that seems to be the nature of poll results. Long-term, though, I don't get the feeling that she has generated any real enthusiasm amongst her own party, and I'm pretty sure she generates little enthusiasm amongst the non-committed voters. Plus, I suspect her candidacy would energize certain elements of the Trump constituency to get out and vote in larger numbers. But what do I know? From what I see, apparently a lot. Neither one of you are wrong - just no time and who is the next JFK waiting in the wings that can get to the campaign money easily? She's as good a chance as any at this point. Unless they nominate Nikki Hailey. |
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Post by majorminor on Jul 22, 2024 15:17:03 GMT -5
50 mil in donations in 24 hours. Hmmmm.
Correction. 100 million......
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Post by billhammond on Jul 22, 2024 15:47:34 GMT -5
50 mil in donations in 24 hours. Hmmmm. Correction. 100 million...... Wait until her Make America Marvelous Again hats hit the shelves! (Available in several lovely pastel colors.) |
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Post by epaul on Jul 22, 2024 15:51:02 GMT -5
Very, very few get their first (or 2nd, 3d, 4th, or 5th choice). My dream ticket would be Mark Kelly and Gretchen Whitmer (with Joe Manchin and Liz Cheney in there somewhere).
But, a party is coalition of compromises and the focus that unifies the Democratic party is to keep Trumpism at bay. Any unknowns with Harris are fully resolved and covered by the knowns about Trump. I would vote for a gerbil if Trump were the other choice.
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Post by majorminor on Jul 22, 2024 16:19:18 GMT -5
I would vote for a gerbil if Trump were the other choice. I just vote for that third party kooky spoiler guy/gal. Or go fishing on that day. Living in Montana makes the moral dilemma easy for me. |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jul 22, 2024 16:39:56 GMT -5
Very, very few get their first (or 2nd, 3d, 4th, and 5th). My dream ticket would be Mark Kelly and Gretchen Whitmer (with Joe Manchin and Liz Cheney in there somewhere). But, a party is coalition of compromises and the focus that unifies the party is to keep Trumpism at bay. Any unknowns with Harris are fully resolved and covered by the knowns about Trump. I would vote for a gerbil if Trump were the other choice. I live in Indiana where a gerbil would win if it was the Republican nominee. |
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2024 17:57:53 GMT -5
This year a gerbil could beat Trump.
It's pretty academic at this point. Fun to speculate about the who -- who will challenge Harris, who will she pick, etc. But in the end, there's little energy behind Trump.
Even 2020's vote against the press, the grand narrative, the fascist covid policy, the cheering of the burning cities to protest against a guy who was convicted and sent to prison.... all of it is a distant memory to a stimuli addled America.
That vote is staying home this time. Lucy pulled the last football Charlie was ever going try to kick. The polarity is total and it's pretty easy to see who ended up holding all the cards -- even though those card holders are both dealer and house, they nevertheless somehow,somewhat hilariously, still see themselves as the underdog speaking truth to power (and all those other 60s cliches that have driven them these past 60 years). They are now the very fascicts they believe they're fending off.
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Post by epaul on Jul 22, 2024 17:59:37 GMT -5
I guess I don't fret about voting, either. ND is a 60/40 Republican state, (or 65/35), and given the state's interests and economy, I can't blame it. Fifty years ago, it was Democratic, but different times, different party.
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Post by theevan on Jul 22, 2024 18:08:15 GMT -5
I'm optimistic about a Trump victory and possibly even a Republican sweep of sorts.
But my dear friend that worked for Speaker Johnson for 8 years (and told me that Mike would be Speaker days before his name was even mentioned) isn't feeling so rosy. She didn't elaborate but she seemed steadfast. That was yesterday.
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Post by jdd2 on Jul 22, 2024 18:23:45 GMT -5
No man is an island, Entire of itself; Every man is a piece of the continent, A part of the main. Dost thou think that thou just fell from a coconut tree? And a pic, with apologies for dragging south kona into politics. (and that's my own pic, so anyone is free to use it to help the forces of good over the next 100 days)  |
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Post by Marshall on Jul 22, 2024 18:36:25 GMT -5
This year a gerbil could beat Trump. Biden was acting pretty gerbil-like at times. |
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 22, 2024 19:13:31 GMT -5
I would vote for a gerbil if Trump were the other choice. Well, now you've got your chance to vote for that gerbil. |
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Post by epaul on Jul 22, 2024 19:46:00 GMT -5
It is refreshing, and reassuring, to see that graciousness and simple decency can still rise out of the mud and mire of politics.
Mike Pence, Republican party: "President Joe Biden made the right decision for our country and I thank him for putting the interests of our Nation ahead of his own."
D. Trump, MAGA party: “Crooked Joe Biden was not fit to run for President, and is certainly not fit to serve – And never was! He only attained the position of President by lies, Fake News, and not leaving his Basement."
Even in politics, fundamental character shines through.
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Post by aquaduct on Jul 22, 2024 19:52:18 GMT -5
I'm optimistic about a Trump victory and possibly even a Republican sweep of sorts. But my dear friend that worked for Speaker Johnson for 8 years (and told me that Mike would be Speaker days before his name was even mentioned) isn't feeling so rosy. She didn't elaborate but she seemed steadfast. That was yesterday. I'm very optimistic about Trump and after the RNC I'm believing the usual cast of milquetoasts in the Republican party will hang together this time long enough to execute that sweep. I think the impact of Loper is still rolling out and I'm envisioning its ultimate impact hitting as early as October (neat "October Surprise"). Once the "climate change" fraud is blown up it should seal it for Trump. You can feel free to pass that along to the Speaker. On deep cover of course. |
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Post by millring on Jul 22, 2024 20:36:35 GMT -5
There's one of the lies I referred to. |
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Post by John B on Jul 22, 2024 21:27:50 GMT -5
There's one of the lies I referred to. I'm having trouble finding where you referred to lies. I'm also not happy about the basket of deplorability you're throwing me in. |
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