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Post by dradtke on Aug 8, 2024 8:30:55 GMT -5
I think any of the candidates would have been a winning choice; it's comforting to have a deep bench. And I'll confess to a Minnesotan's bias toward Walz.
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Post by kbcolorado on Aug 8, 2024 9:01:28 GMT -5
If there is any talk of a VP debate? If so, I've missed it. Walz has said he'd love to debate Vance, but I think JD is smart enough of a guy to want no part of it.
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Post by papabill on Aug 8, 2024 13:53:17 GMT -5
Tim is a hero.
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Post by james on Aug 8, 2024 14:13:09 GMT -5
Would you care to introduce yourself papabill? |
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Post by Marty on Aug 8, 2024 14:19:33 GMT -5
Would you care to introduce yourself papabill? That's Chili Bill James. |
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Post by james on Aug 8, 2024 14:24:31 GMT -5
I thought so. Thanks.
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Post by Russell Letson on Aug 8, 2024 14:52:46 GMT -5
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Post by Cornflake on Aug 8, 2024 15:58:18 GMT -5
If Walz had said that and someone wanted to know whether they'd understood him correctly, they might have asked, "Walz, did you mean you'd been in combat?"
But this stuff isn't being circulated by people who have any interest in understanding him.
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Post by james on Aug 8, 2024 16:30:00 GMT -5
Pete Buttigieg posted this on Threads- "Come to think of it, denigrating the worth of a soldier’s service based on whether he deployed to a war zone is… kind of like denigrating the worth of a woman’s citizenship based on whether she happens to have children".
www.threads.net/@pete.buttigieg/post/C-ZJywfOTZp |
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Post by theevan on Aug 8, 2024 16:30:09 GMT -5
Hi Chilibill!
I also think this is nit-picking. Walz has a clear enough public record as an elected official to go after him on any number of decisions/stances.
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Post by epaul on Aug 8, 2024 17:30:09 GMT -5
Near as I can tell, the few times Walz has said he carried a gun while deployed during a war (or however he said it) was in the context of a speech or talk about the need for enhanced gun control legislation.
I think that context matters. I think the context implies that he wasn't bragging about his bravery or stealing valor, I think he was trying to establish his position/point of view/creds on a touchy subject, as in (my translation of his intent follows):
"I believe we need stronger gun control laws, NOT BECAUSE I'M SOME NAMBY PAMBY GIRLY GUN HATER THAT HATES GUNS. I HUNT AND KILL ANIMALS AND I CARRIED A GUN WHILE SERVING OVERSEAS. NO, GIRLY WUS I, I'M A MAN'S MAN WHO LIKES AND USES GUNS IN THE SITUATIONS THAT CALL FOR GUNS. BUT WE NEED TO GET GUNS OFF OUR STREETS BECAUSE GUNS DON'T BELONG ON THE STREETS, THEY BELONG IN THE WOODS AND IN WAR, MAN THINGS, GOOD MAN THINGS, NOT THE BAD MAN THINGS."
When a person advocating for gun control says things like, "Hey, I like to hunt and fire bullets at stuff, too", that isn't bragging as much as it is trying to establish a connection with the people that need to be convinced, (not the people who are already convinced). They are saying "Hey, I'm a manly man, too. But, manly men understand that getting guns off the streets and out of hands of confused kids is smart man policy, not wussy girly policy. And, for the record, I like plaid flannel shirts and Wolverine boots. I only wear this damn suit when I have to."
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Post by dradtke on Aug 8, 2024 17:32:09 GMT -5
According to the Veterans Alliance: www.va.org/the-definition-of-a-war-veteran#In 2003 he was deployed to Italy in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. That makes him a "war veteran," not a "combat veteran." (Same as Vance, oddly enough, who certainly understands the difference.) Clarifying a simple fact is not nit-picking. Lying about it is swiftboating. |
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Post by Russell Letson on Aug 8, 2024 17:51:56 GMT -5
My middle brother is a Vietnam vet--not a "Vietnam era vet" but a guy whose Navy service included offshore radar-tech monitoring. No shots fired, as far as I know, but he was part of the action. Oddly, my father apparenly miminimized my brother's experience as not-real-warfare stuff. But then, Dad's standards were set by holding off kamikazi attacks off Okinawa. But I doubt that Dad would have sneered at a guy who spent 24 years in the Guard, went where they sent him, and rose to a rank equivalent to Chief Petty Officer.
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Post by coachdoc on Aug 9, 2024 10:26:43 GMT -5
Papabill
I loved your hotsauce.
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Post by papabill on Aug 9, 2024 11:28:03 GMT -5
I hope it's not a problem! |
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Post by Dub on Aug 9, 2024 11:42:33 GMT -5
I hope it's not a problem! Bill, we are all very glad to see you back. You’ve been missed. |
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Post by theevan on Aug 9, 2024 16:47:29 GMT -5
BTW, how's the Mossman doing?
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Post by papabill on Aug 9, 2024 18:34:20 GMT -5
Papabill I loved your hotsauce. Thanks, Doc! Enjoyed your pickin'! Glad our paths crossed at least once. |
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Post by papabill on Aug 9, 2024 19:25:56 GMT -5
My middle brother is a Vietnam vet--not a "Vietnam era vet" but a guy whose Navy service included offshore radar-tech monitoring. No shots fired, as far as I know, but he was part of the action. Oddly, my father apparenly miminimized my brother's experience as not-real-warfare stuff. But then, Dad's standards were set by holding off kamikazi attacks off Okinawa. But I doubt that Dad would have sneered at a guy who spent 24 years in the Guard, went where they sent him, and rose to a rank equivalent to Chief Petty Officer. Let me clarify something. I respect those who served honorably; regardless of the combat/non-combat status, branch of service, or assigned duties. I've been snubbed, although it was only once, because I was wearing a "Vietnam Era Veteran" mask. That doesn't mean I was in Vietnam. I wasn't. It simply means I served during that era. Apparently some folks don't know how to differentiate. I've never claimed Vietnam combat or hero status. The only times I left the continental U.S. was on 3 deployments, 2 of them into the Carribean. The closest I ever came to combat was in some of the pubs near my duty station(s)... usually with Army Airborne (seems they needed to prove something) or other Marines, and one minor skirmish with a UDT in the Carribean. My only regret is that I don't feel that I was fully tested as a Marine. I respect the service of Tim Walz and JD Vance. I know very little of their service. I've watched as both sides go into attack mode immediately after the VP running mates were announced. The primary concern that stands out about Tim Walz's claims is this quote: "We can make sure those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are at." This was in reference to proposed "gun control" measures and it seems to insinuate he carried a weapon(s) into combat. This is a somewhat blurred area. Does that, alone, mean he's not qualified to be VP? Probably NOT! Personally, I'm not too concerned with his military service. I do have a problem with his ideology and his policies. I will give him credit for his ability deliver a speech. He's better than most. Any disputes about either of their military experiences should be easily solved by examining their service records. Carry on! |
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Post by papabill on Aug 9, 2024 19:42:04 GMT -5
BTW, how's the Mossman doing? Hey, Evan! Hope all is well with you and yours. The Mossman? I left it with a dear friend, in NJ, 12 years ago. I wanted it to be played and I wasn't using it very much. Sadly, my friend passed on just over a year later. The Whereabouts of the Mossman are a mystery. I miss it a bit but I'd give up all my guitars if I could have my friend back. He was a major influence on my playing as far back as 52 years ago. A variety of other issues, including my health, have diminished my playing ability since. OH... I still have my Goodall, McKnight, Cordoba, Smith & Young (resonator), and Prophecy SG, which I love... I just don't play as much. |
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