It's Walz

[dradtke]

I'd like to think it would go without saying that none of Peter's posts about Walz are true, but in these polarized times I suppose I shouldn't take anything for granted. The worst thing in Walz's record is a 30-year old DUI, after which he quit drinking. His drink of choice now is Diet Mountain Dew.

[theevan]

Aug 8, 2024 8:26:15 GMT -5 dradtke said:

I'd like to think it would go without saying that none of Peter's posts about Walz are true, but in these polarized times I suppose I shouldn't take anything for granted. The worst thing in Walz's record is a 30-year old DUI, after which he quit drinking. His drink of choice now is Diet Mountain Dew.

I would think the greater concern is his public record. The opposition has plenty to dissect.

Speaking of Mountain Dew, the first Minnesotan I knew was a roommate in New Hampshire in '76. Sweetheart of a guy. He drank a six-pack of that day-glo soda every day. At least. He passed away some years back. I'd hate to think it was related. I miss him.

[aquaduct]

Aug 8, 2024 8:26:15 GMT -5 dradtke said:

I'd like to think it would go without saying that none of Peter's posts about Walz are true, but in these polarized times I suppose I shouldn't take anything for granted. The worst thing in Walz's record is a 30-year old DUI, after which he quit drinking. His drink of choice now is Diet Mountain Dew.

How much of Minneapolis is still destroyed? You do know there are pictures. How much has the crime rate there gone up?

And finally, who's on camera defending his choice to let it burn?

In this day and age video is forever.

[TKennedy]

On another note I saw a rather combative interview with Stephen Miller on TV the other night. Hollywood should grab him up for the next WWII or Indiana Jones movie.

Disregarding any of his politics his persona would make a fookin great Nazi

[millring]

I've always said the smaller the community, the more socialist I become. I imagine it favors overlooking his extreme social views that he governs in such an uncommonly small "c" conservative state. I suspect nobody knows where their nickels go like a Minnesotan. At the same time, nobody cares for their fellow man like a Minnesotan. It doesn't have the "national" problems that NY or CA or TX suffer. Nobody wants to be homeless in Minnesota in the winter. It's immigration border is Canada or the airport. Minnesota is, for those reasons also the perfect example of the elitist mindset that doesn't mind making decisions for the rest of the country based on the problems they themselves don't face.

[John B]

Aug 8, 2024 9:30:16 GMT -5 millring said:

I've always said the smaller the community, the more socialist I become. I imagine it favors overlooking his extreme social views that he governs in such an uncommonly small "c" conservative state. I suspect nobody knows where their nickels go like a Minnesotan. At the same time, nobody cares for their fellow man like a Minnesotan. It doesn't have the "national" problems that NY or CA or TX suffer. Nobody wants to be homeless in Minnesota in the winter. It's immigration border is Canada or the airport. Minnesota is, for those reasons also the perfect example of the elitist mindset that doesn't mind making decisions for the rest of the country based on the problems they themselves don't face.

Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Elites.

[epaul]

You underestimate the threat Canada poses. We are the bulwark!

[TKennedy]

It’s fun to witness the election year yard sign season change as one leaves the Twin Cities and transitions to rural Minnesota.

From All Are Welcome Here and Ban CO2 to F#$!! Biden (soon to be F$&!! Kamabala/Walz)

It’s not all elites by a long shot.

Now North Dakota- that’s a whole different ball game.

[epaul]

North Dakota. Land of 712 elites. (all of them in Fargo)

[Rob Hanesworth]

Aug 8, 2024 11:14:11 GMT -5 TKennedy said:

It’s fun to witness the election year yard sign season change as one leaves the Twin Cities and transitions to rural Minnesota.

From All Are Welcome Here and Ban CO2 to F#$!! Biden (soon to be F$&!! Kamabala/Walz)

It’s not all elites by a long shot.

Now North Dakota- that’s a whole different ball game.

From the yard signs I see, I predict Century 21 Real Estate will be our next president.

[millring]

Aug 8, 2024 10:52:18 GMT -5 John B said:

Aug 8, 2024 9:30:16 GMT -5 millring said:

I've always said the smaller the community, the more socialist I become. I imagine it favors overlooking his extreme social views that he governs in such an uncommonly small "c" conservative state. I suspect nobody knows where their nickels go like a Minnesotan. At the same time, nobody cares for their fellow man like a Minnesotan. It doesn't have the "national" problems that NY or CA or TX suffer. Nobody wants to be homeless in Minnesota in the winter. It's immigration border is Canada or the airport. Minnesota is, for those reasons also the perfect example of the elitist mindset that doesn't mind making decisions for the rest of the country based on the problems they themselves don't face.

Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Elites.

The only State in the union that didn't vote for Reagan.

Walz on illegal immigration:

" I always say, ‘Let me know how high it is. If it’s 25 feet, then I’ll invest in the 30-foot-ladder factory,'”

[John B]

Aug 8, 2024 11:44:36 GMT -5 millring said:

Aug 8, 2024 10:52:18 GMT -5 John B said:

Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Elites.

The only State in the union that didn't vote for Reagan.

Walz on illegal immigration:

" I always say, ‘Let me know how high it is. If it’s 25 feet, then I’ll invest in the 30-foot-ladder factory,'”

Who was the VP candidate that time? Any reason why MN might have voted for the other ticket?

I don't know the context of your Elitist quote, but I assume Walz might have been addressing the issue of trying to solve a problem by throwing untold sums of money at a wall that can be overcome.

But that goes to show, Land of Elites don't know what it's like to be in true America, real America. Elmo Eagle, emblem of the Elites.

[millring]

Aug 8, 2024 11:53:50 GMT -5 John B said:

I don't know the context of your Elitist quote, but I assume Walz might have been addressing the issue of trying to solve a problem by throwing untold sums of money at a wall that can be overcome.

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Don't listen to what he said. Listen to what he meant?

[Russell Letson]

John, you do realize that part of your audience actually lives in Minnesota, right? And a couple of us live "outstate," in areas that are generally pretty conservative and that went for Trump in 2020 (often by 60-40 margins). That includes Douglas County (Terry's home) and the Stearns-Benton-Sherburne tri-county (my home turf).

Despite the fact that we have deadly winters, there are plenty of homeless in Minnesota, and it's not a problem with an obvious solution. (A friend spent part of his career dealing with the homeless in the Cities.) And our 47 years here has seen waves of immigrants and refugees--the earliest I'm familiar with were the Ethiopians, though the Hmong were here before them, and the various Mexicans and Central Americans started taking jobs nobody else wanted (poultry processing), and the the Somalis showed up in St. Cloud and old-timers were beshitting themselves.

So it's not like we live in a bubble. And the state GOP machinery was taken over by pro-life absolutists and other right-wing types (and outright loonies like Michele Bachmann), who drove out of their ranks decent, practical Republicans like Arne Carlson.

[epaul]

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John was just trying to score, no need for an understanding or explanation of this and that necessary.

[millring]

Aug 8, 2024 12:16:34 GMT -5 epaul said:

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John was trying to score points, not understand any of them. So why explain?

(the post explained itself just fine)

At this point I don't have anything nice to say. My mother tried to teach me the better part of wisdom in silence in those circumstances.

I wish it was my mother's advice that is why I'm not trying to punch back at your constant derision and contempt. It's not that. I'm not that good. I'm not that reasonable. No, it's just that I'm a terribly competitive spirit and I'm sorry that I lack the wit and intellect to hurt you back as badly as you hurt me. Constantly.

If you were in front of me I'd punch your face in. I'd regret it and apologize later, but by then the damage would be done.

Russell always talks about the playground bullies as if jocks were somehow the scourge of the earth. Sticks and stones pale to the power of words.

Maybe being face to face is the great leveler.

[epaul]

You just typecast an entire state and its members (several here) as being elite, arrogant, and indifferent to others. And this broad character analysis of yours is all based on what? That the state passed some bills you don't approve of or has cast its electoral votes for a candidate you didn't approve of?


And then you whine if it gets pushback?

You were just trying to score some points in a political argument. Which is fine. And those points were, or should have been, understood as just that and not requiring an explanation that Minnesota really wasn't the simple, argument-serving, caricature you portrayed it as.

I was just disappointed that a clarification to a post that required none and wanted none was offered. And that is what I said and why I posted.

[james]

"Walz did talk about investing in a ladder factory, but he did so facetiously to emphasize the ineffectiveness of a border wall as a way to prevent migrants from crossing. His comments were misrepresented online and were missing context to make it seem as though he was seriously discussing helping migrants cross the wall using ladders."

"Walz's comments show that he was demonstrating the ineffectiveness of Trump's border wall policy by speaking flippantly about investing in a ladder factory. In the same remarks, Walz also advocated for other ways to implement border control".

Snopes and others have Walz's full  "Anderson Cooper 360," comments in context.

www.snopes.com/news/2024/08/06/tim-walz-ladder-factory-migrants-border/

www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2024/tim-walz-ladder-factory-immigrants-southern-border/

Talk of punching another member's face in is not something I like to see.

[millring]

Aug 8, 2024 11:14:11 GMT -5 TKennedy said:

It’s not all elites by a long shot.

Of course not. But its current governor is (in response to David's assertion upthread that nobody is ever going to be able to make the "elitist" tag stick to Walz).

[brucemacneill]

I learned today that saying someone is "Minnesota nice" is like a southerner saying "Bless his heart". It's not a compliment. I googled it and according to Urban Dictionary it means "passive aggressive".