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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 1, 2015 21:16:05 GMT -5
I wonder how many times Rahm has said "FUCK!" in the last 48 hours.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 1, 2015 21:15:45 GMT -5
Finally, a protest I can get behind.
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Post by james on Dec 1, 2015 21:19:27 GMT -5
And BLM should shut up about racist policing?
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 1, 2015 21:20:13 GMT -5
I wonder how many times Rahm has said "FUCK!" in the last 48 hours. He's got a lot more coming to make up for the last 7 years.
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Post by aquaduct on Dec 1, 2015 21:22:33 GMT -5
And BLM should shut up about racist policing? It's a free country. Well at least it used to be. Say whatever you want.
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Post by james on Dec 1, 2015 21:33:17 GMT -5
Fauxmaha. You have suggested African American Mizzou students that protested, amongst other things shit swastikas at their college are liars. A poop truther indeed. Your acceptance of the fact that racism exists and motivates people seems at times to be not the same as mine.
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 1, 2015 21:43:54 GMT -5
Fauxmaha. You have suggested African American Mizzou students that protested, amongst other things shit swastikas at their college are liars. A poop truther indeed. Your acceptance of the fact that racism exists and motivates people seems at times to be not the same as mine. I sincerely believe you do not understand the first thing about my views. But it is just so easy to think those with whom one disagrees must be "racist". Lazy, too, and very morally satisfying. I get it.
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Post by james on Dec 1, 2015 21:52:10 GMT -5
Fauxmaha. You have suggested African American Mizzou students that protested, amongst other things shit swastikas at their college are liars. A poop truther indeed. Your acceptance of the fact that racism exists and motivates people seems at times to be not the same as mine. I sincerely believe you do not understand the first thing about my views. But it is just so easy to think those with whom one disagrees must be "racist". Lazy, too, and very morally satisfying. I get it. You now believe that the 'coddled' student protesters who you took the time to ridicule here for complaining about personally threatening racist behaviour towards them were justified? That the complaints about a shit swastika were understandable and not easily dismissed as lies? We might be on the same anti-racist page if that's so.
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Post by millring on Dec 1, 2015 22:02:35 GMT -5
We always hear about protesters but never about amateurtesters. Maybe they're quieter than protesters?
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 1, 2015 22:09:09 GMT -5
I sincerely believe you do not understand the first thing about my views. But it is just so easy to think those with whom one disagrees must be "racist". Lazy, too, and very morally satisfying. I get it. You now believe that the 'coddled' student protesters who you took the time to ridicule here for complaining about personally threatening racist behaviour towards them were justified? That the complaints about a shit swastika were understandable and not easily dismissed as lies? We might be on the same anti-racist page if that's so. I wish I could think of a nice way of saying this, but you are so hopelessly invested in your own self affirming moral preening, I don't think you are capable of understanding other paradigms. So I'm not going to bother.
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Post by james on Dec 1, 2015 22:56:45 GMT -5
I am capable of understanding plenty. I am capable of understanding how oblivious you are to your personal prejudices. That you think that an anti-racist position is self-affirming moral preening is not surprising.
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 1, 2015 23:31:00 GMT -5
I am capable of understanding plenty. I am capable of understanding how oblivious you are to your personal prejudices. That you think that an anti-racist position is self-affirming moral preening is not surprising. Tell you what. Just call me a racist, add an entry by my name in your journal, and go back to stalking my wife on Facebook.
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Post by jdd2 on Dec 2, 2015 3:07:47 GMT -5
One of these days, maybe after I retire, I'm gonna sign up for facebook.
Of course I may have to, since it might have taken over the internet by then.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Dec 2, 2015 9:53:54 GMT -5
I wonder how many times Rahm has said "FUCK!" in the last 48 hours. A lot, with more to come. Firing the superintendent is not going to satisfy BLM, the media, or the rest of us. The coverup seems to have been widespread. The other cops present at the shooting are suspect. Rahm is suspect. The prosecutor is suspect. More heads will roll before this is over.
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 2, 2015 10:33:36 GMT -5
I wonder how many times Rahm has said "FUCK!" in the last 48 hours. A lot, with more to come. Firing the superintendent is not going to satisfy BLM, the media, or the rest of us. The coverup seems to have been widespread. The other cops present at the shooting are suspect. Rahm is suspect. The prosecutor is suspect. More heads will roll before this is over. Given that under normal circumstances, Rahm's fuckometer runs in the red anyway, we're talking big numbers. He's in real trouble. The stories today are that he claims to not have seen the video until just recently. Which means that one of the following is true: 1) He personally approved a $5 million settlement without seeing the video. 2) Someone on his staff told him "Just sign the check on this one. Trust me." and he did. 3) He is lying now. My money is on #3.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Dec 2, 2015 10:39:22 GMT -5
No. Just another crooked democratic politician covering his ass. Followed by another weekend of 70 or 80 shootings of mostly black people by mostly black people. Black lives don't seem to matter to those folks. "Black Lives Matter" is an interesting name, I think. The first word tells you who we're talking about, the second word tells you what we're talking about, and the third word tells you the significance and direction of the action to be taken. "Black Lives Matter" is just about perfect in that it's short, meaningful, and just about impossible to argue with. But then there's the right wing blowback. There's something about BLM that the right wing hates. There was a slight delay as they fumbled about for a good response. They knew "Black Lives Don't Matter" wouldn't play well in the press, but there had to be some way, something short enough to fit on a bumper sticker, that could be used to counter the BLM movement. Then genius struck. "Blue Lives Matter." Done. The right wing had their cause, something that everyone could get behind. Even if someone had been on a desert isle for six months, if they heard "Blue Lives Matter," their natural response would be "Damn right!" And to top it off, they had a figure head. A martyr. They had the cop in Woodstock, Illinois that had been gunned down by three criminals. (Were they supposed to be black criminals? I don't remember.) Anyway, that all fell apart after the autopsy and investigation were revealed. Turned out the cop was crooked and had committed suicide rather than face public disclosure of his misdeeds. To make things worse, he staged the suicide to make it look like a murder, launching a widespread manhunt and eventually the Blue Lives Matter movement. Blue Lives Matter, just like Black Lives Matter, was good though. Either one of those names should make you think Well of course they do. The only problem with Blue Lives Matter movement was that it was in opposition to Black Lives Matter. There was no Well of course they do. Instead, the visceral response from those on the right was to oppose Black Lives Matter. Does that mean that those on the right think that black lives do not matter? I think that's probably going a step too far, although I haven't heard one single thing from the right suggesting otherwise. That too seems to be going a step too far. Instead, those on the right seem to be stuck in some kind of middle ground, refusing to accept BLM, but careful in how they express their opposition. Now the latest thing seems to be the statistical evidence showing that most blacks are killed at the hands of other blacks. It is their new response to BLM. After all, they reason, if blacks don't care about black lives, why should we? The problem with the black on black killings is that they are unrelated to BLM. The one has nothing to do with the other. Most blacks are killed by other blacks. But most whites are killed by other whites. Does that mean that white lives do not matter or that whites don't care about white lives? Does the fact that most blacks are killed by other blacks mean that blacks care more about whites, hispanics, asians and arabs than they do for their fellow blacks? Does the fact that most terrorist attacks in the U.S. are conducted by white men mean that white men support terrorism? Does the fact that most school aged children in the U.S. killed by white terrorists mean that whites don't care about children? Black on black violence, just like white on white violence, is more a matter of racial and economic segregation than any preference for victims. Black on black violence and "Black Lives Matter" are not related. At all.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Dec 2, 2015 10:40:50 GMT -5
A lot, with more to come. Firing the superintendent is not going to satisfy BLM, the media, or the rest of us. The coverup seems to have been widespread. The other cops present at the shooting are suspect. Rahm is suspect. The prosecutor is suspect. More heads will roll before this is over. Given that under normal circumstances, Rahm's fuckometer runs in the red anyway, we're talking big numbers. He's in real trouble. The stories today are that he claims to not have seen the video until just recently. Which means that one of the following is true: 1) He personally approved a $5 million settlement without seeing the video. 2) Someone on his staff told him "Just sign the check on this one. Trust me." and he did. 3) He is lying now. My money is on #3. Jeff, the universe is surely fucked up. Because I agree with you. Number three looks like the safe bet.
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Post by fauxmaha on Dec 2, 2015 10:42:11 GMT -5
Eventually, one hopes, the circular firing squad that we call "identity politics" will be recognized for what it is.
Until then, Jim does a pretty good job of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Dec 2, 2015 10:47:00 GMT -5
Until then, Jim does a pretty good job of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Hey, when you're unemployed, you have to take whatever work you can find.
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Post by Marshall on Dec 2, 2015 11:49:38 GMT -5
Given that under normal circumstances, Rahm's fuckometer runs in the red anyway, we're talking big numbers. He's in real trouble. The stories today are that he claims to not have seen the video until just recently. Which means that one of the following is true: 1) He personally approved a $5 million settlement without seeing the video. 2) Someone on his staff told him "Just sign the check on this one. Trust me." and he did. 3) He is lying now. My money is on #3. Jeff, the universe is surely fucked up. Because I agree with you. Number three looks like the safe bet. I think 2 is possible. I wouldn't bet on it. But it's possible. The $5 Mil is good deal for the city considering the evidence. (If the video was not for public release). I heard the kid was in foster care almost all his life. His momma couldn't raise him. Daddy left within a couple years. The family has had very little to do with the kid. Now they get a $5Mil windfall. WOO HOOMy biggest gripe is that the police are the ones that police themselves. There's no independent body that does this. It all falls under the Top Cop. Therefore he has a conflict of interest. Do I protect my men/women? Or do I throw them under the bus? And how are they going to listen to me if I'm the hammer? Most all government operations have a system of checks and balances. There has been no independent checks on policing. The rash of new cameras/videos shows that the system has not ever been working as it should.
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