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Post by epaul on Nov 9, 2020 10:28:13 GMT -5
Has Pence commented publicly on the election results or the challenges or litigation efforts in any substantive or enthused manner?
I was just thinking, I have heard a lot of Republicans supporting, to one degree or another, Trump's election claims/charges. But, I haven't heard a peep from Pence, and I've been checking out both FOX, CNN, PBS, and the STrib on a near daily basis.
I am not offering or soliciting an opinion one way or another on Trump's claims/charges or the claims/charges being made by many in the Republican party. I am not interested in that in this thread. What I am interested in is, has Pence been saying anything one way or another in any substantive or enthusiastic manner about the election results and the various challenges and charges? He definitely hasn't been leading the charge.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2020 10:32:29 GMT -5
I don't see why he'd bother. They're all part of the same administration and they either both prevail or both end up out of office.
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Post by david on Nov 9, 2020 12:35:03 GMT -5
He is smart enough to know that the safest course for his political future is to remain mum.
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Post by epaul on Nov 9, 2020 13:12:03 GMT -5
I fear the cart is getting ahead of the horse.
#1. Has Pence publicly challenged/disputed the election results in any substantive and/or enthused manner? Has Pence been publicly supportive of Trump's election charges of fraud and illegality? Has he sought out public opportunities to be supportive?
(hint: That's the horse)
#2 (the cart) can't be reasonable discussed or opined upon until there is an answer to #1.
What is the answer to #1? I have heard comments yea and nay from dozens of Republicans, but I have not seen or heard a peep from Pence since the election. But that is just me. Maybe I just missed them. I am asking if others (you people) have heard much of anything from Pence concerning the election challenges and charges.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 9, 2020 13:19:47 GMT -5
I fear the cart is getting ahead of the horse. #1. Has Pence publicly challenged/disputed the election results in any substantive and/or enthused manner? Has Pence been publicly supportive of Trump's election charges of fraud and illegality? Has he sought out public opportunities to be supportive? (hint: That's the horse) #2 (the cart) can't be reasonable discussed or opined upon until there is an answer to #1. What is the answer to #1? I have heard comments yea and nay from dozens of Republicans, but I have not seen or heard a peep from Pence since the election. But that is just me. Maybe I just missed them. I am asking if others (you people) have heard much of anything from Pence concerning the election challenges and charges. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 13:21:38 GMT -5
Pence hasn't said anything about the election, but he has crowed about how Pfizer, under Trump's leadership, appears to have a COVID-19 vaccine that is 90-percent effective -- a statement that prompted Pfizer to immediately issue a statement saying it was NOT part of the "Warp Speed" initiative and that it had taken no federal money and had developed the vaccine on its own. In other words, a fairly significant slapdown of Pence. Pence is already thinking of his run in 2024. The guy is as exciting as a glass of warm milk. edition.cnn.com/2020/11/09/business/pfizer-covid-vaccine/index.html |
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Post by epaul on Nov 9, 2020 13:28:57 GMT -5
Peter and David, can I surmise that you also have not heard much of anything out of Pence concerning the election challenges and charges? And that because of this you have deduced (P) that he has no reason to say anything so there is nothing to deduce or (D) he is being quiet and circumspect due to a savvy regard for his post-Trump political life.
But, first, is there a tree? If there is no tree, there is no barking.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2020 13:33:23 GMT -5
Peter and David, can I surmise that you also have not heard much of anything out of Pence concerning the election challenges and charges? And that because of this you have deduced (P) that he has no reason to say anything so there is nothing to deduce or (D) he is being quiet and circumspect due to a savvy regard for his post-Trump political life. But, first, is there a tree? If there is no tree, there is no barking. I'm seeing another month of legal challenges before the election is decided (hint: the media is full of shit if they think that's their job). I haven't heard anything out of Pence, but then again, haven't really seen the need to listen. |
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Post by epaul on Nov 9, 2020 14:01:07 GMT -5
Ok, sounding like there hasn't been much of a Pence peep. Political savviness with a future run in mind? Maybe. Disapproval of/concern over Trump's efforts at undermining/challenging the integrity of the election process? Maybe. I don't know as I don't know the fellow that well.
But, I do have the impression that, despite being a dastardly conservative Republican that hates gays and women, Pence has a fundamental respect for the institutions of this country, and as a result may consider Trump's attacks on the integrity of our election as reckless and damaging.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2020 14:04:01 GMT -5
Ok, sounding like there hasn't been much of a Pence peep. Political savviness with a future run in mind? Maybe. Disapproval of/concern over Trump's efforts at undermining/challenging the integrity of the election process? Maybe. I don't know as I don't know the fellow that well. But, I do have the impression that, despite being a dastardly conservative Republican that hates gays and women, Pence has a fundamental respect for the institutions of this country, and as a result may consider Trump's attacks on the integrity of our election as reckless and damaging. As a campaign contributor I get emails from the Trump camp. Just got one from Pence. Trust me, he's all in with the vote challenges and couldn't care less what liberals think of him. |
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Post by epaul on Nov 9, 2020 14:19:41 GMT -5
As I have gotten in some trouble when my purposed exaggerations are taken literally and in a complete reversal of the ironic tweak they were intended to deliver, I will say that I don't think conservatives are dastardly and, again, that while I don't know him personally, and while I don't agree with him on much politically, I do sense an integrity and soundness of character in Pence (two qualities I just can't discern in any degree what-so-ever in T... oh, never mind)
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Post by John B on Nov 9, 2020 14:44:32 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on Nov 9, 2020 16:02:42 GMT -5
Ok, thanks. Some tweet peeps. I was just wondering what, if anything, was going on. I would have thought Trump would want Pence to go out as his attack dog on this. And I hadn't seen anything, so I wondered ...
I know nothing about Tweeting; following, accessing, nothing. Only when it is reported in the print universe. Tweets once removed.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 9, 2020 16:06:42 GMT -5
Ledyard King, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON – Vice President Mike Pence tweeted Monday that he is firmly behind efforts to keep counting “legal” votes as the Trump campaign tries to find a way to undo Joe Biden’s victory, which has been declared by media networks and recognized by a growing number of prominent Republicans.
It's the first public statement Pence has made since Biden was declared the winner of the 2020 election Saturday.
President Donald Trump and his legal team continues to make the unsubstantiated claim that several states – notably Pennsylvania – have counted ballots it shouldn’t have and prematurely awarded Biden the victory he needed to win the White House.
Trump campaign lawyers and their GOP allies are challenging the vote of several key states, including Georgia, Nevada and Michigan, that narrowly went for Biden.
Even as Trump continues to allege voter fraud without providing evidence, prominent Republicans – including former President George W. Bush – have begun congratulating Biden on his victory.
"I just talked to the President-elect of the United States, Joe Biden," Bush, a Republican, said in a statement Sunday. "I extended my warm congratulations and thanked him for the patriotic message he delivered last night."
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Post by coachdoc on Nov 9, 2020 16:15:10 GMT -5
"I just talked to the President-elect of the United States, Joe Biden," Bush, a Republican, said in a statement Sunday. "I extended my warm congratulations and thanked him for the patriotic message he delivered last night." |
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Post by fauxmaha on Nov 9, 2020 16:20:25 GMT -5
Ledyard King, USA TODAY WASHINGTON – Vice President Mike Pence tweeted Monday that he is firmly behind efforts to keep counting “legal” votes as the Trump campaign tries to find a way to undo Joe Biden’s victory, which has been declared by media networks and recognized by a growing number of prominent Republicans. Why is the word legal in quotes? |
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Post by billhammond on Nov 9, 2020 16:25:34 GMT -5
Ledyard King, USA TODAY WASHINGTON – Vice President Mike Pence tweeted Monday that he is firmly behind efforts to keep counting “legal” votes as the Trump campaign tries to find a way to undo Joe Biden’s victory, which has been declared by media networks and recognized by a growing number of prominent Republicans. Why is the word legal in quotes? Just to show that he used that exact word -- I'm not a fan of single-word quotes, misself. |
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2020 16:29:35 GMT -5
Why is the word legal in quotes? Just to show that he used that exact word -- I'm not a fan of single-word quotes, misself. I always thought it meant that the writer thought the word was bullshit. |
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Post by John B on Nov 9, 2020 16:46:28 GMT -5
Why is the word legal in quotes? Just to show that he used that exact word -- I'm not a fan of single-word quotes, misself. Looking at his tweets, VP Pence usually puts the word in all caps. |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Nov 9, 2020 17:04:18 GMT -5
“WASHINGTON – Vice President Mike Pence tweeted Monday that he is firmly behind efforts to keep counting “legal” “beagle” votes as the Trump campaign tries to find a way to undo Joe Biden’s victory, which has been declared by media networks and recognized by a growing number of prominent Republicans.“
That dog won’t hunt.
Mike
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