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Post by Village Idiot on Jun 29, 2022 19:43:36 GMT -5
Well, not getting pregnant is pretty easy to do. It is. And it takes two.
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Post by millring on Jun 29, 2022 19:59:57 GMT -5
So, they're going to make their choice of college based on whether or not they can freely engage in sex without consequences. What magnificent priorities.
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Post by james on Jun 29, 2022 20:06:23 GMT -5
Another slut-shaming interpretation.
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Post by Village Idiot on Jun 29, 2022 20:10:41 GMT -5
So, they're going to make their choice of college based on whether or not they can freely engage in sex without consequences. What magnificent priorities. I am AGREEING with you on this! And with Aqua and Bruce! Can you guys see that? Our opinions on these girls are the same.
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Post by millring on Jun 29, 2022 20:15:42 GMT -5
No, it's utter shock that whether one could engage in sex without consequences would figure into the equation of choosing a college. It blows my mind. If sex is that important, but they really, really want to go to IU, couldn't they just carry a suitcase full of birth control options along with their pens, pencils, sliderule, and laptop? How perversely indoctrinated do you have to be to believe your entire life is ruined because you can't have sex without birth control?
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Post by Cornflake on Jun 29, 2022 20:26:21 GMT -5
Stifling myself. I've gotten better at it.
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Post by John B on Jun 29, 2022 20:38:26 GMT -5
I believe there are some nuances in what these women said that aren't being communicated.
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Post by epaul on Jun 29, 2022 21:02:59 GMT -5
Wow, lot's of interpretations, judgements, and projections based on what? What a couple angry young women said during a radio interview? What utter silliness.
There are a lot of people angry with the SCOTUS decision and with the states that have or are about to take away what they regard as a woman's established right to control their bodies. Some of these people are young women who have just had a microphone shoved in their face. Are they giving a thoughtful response their moment of anger and opportunity? Something to the effect of "I want to fuck like a rabbit with no consequences?" Or weree they angrily saying to an imagined listener, "Up yours, you backward, barbaric, misogynistic, un-named state, I'm not going to spend my time or money in your backward, barbaric, anti-female state, so there! I'm going to stay where it is civilized and women's rights are respected!"
Now you may disagree strongly with their viewpoint and beliefs, but, unless you have a rock for a brain, you do, or should, know that there are people of good intent, nature, and belief who are very upset and angry with the SCOTUS decision and are lashing out in anger, anger at the court, anger at the states that are outlawing abortion. Some of this anger comes out during radio interviews. How does an angry young woman thinking about college respond when given a microphone, a national audience, and a chance to strike a blow at those who she feels have stolen something from her (per her belief)? Same as I would have if given the opportunity of a microphone after I found out New Belgium Beer Co. was running ads opposing the Dakota Access Pipeline, "Screw you, Fat Tire, I'm not drinking your crap beer anymore, I'm going to drink beer that doesn't try screw over North Dakota".
Same deal. Heat of the moment. Just a couple angry young women. Don't be so damn anxious to parade your flag.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 29, 2022 21:05:14 GMT -5
So, they're going to make their choice of college based on whether or not they can freely engage in sex without consequences. What magnificent priorities. I am AGREEING with you on this! And with Aqua and Bruce! Can you guys see that? Our opinions on these girls are the same. James freely calls it slut shaming. Argue with him.
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Post by epaul on Jun 29, 2022 21:14:32 GMT -5
So, they're going to make their choice of college based on whether or not they can freely engage in sex without consequences. What magnificent priorities. I am AGREEING with you on this! And with Aqua and Bruce! Can you guys see that? Our opinions on these girls are the same. Todd, right there, an alarm should have gone off. "WARNING WARNING. BRAIN SYNAPSE MISFIRE. CHECK CIRCUITS."
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Post by james on Jun 29, 2022 21:17:42 GMT -5
No link to interview with students available? I support a student/schoolgirl's need/desire to retain her bodily autonomy should she become pregnant but would be interested to hear/read her comments in full.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 29, 2022 21:19:31 GMT -5
No link to interview with students available? Surely you can Google it. It's what you do.
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Post by james on Jun 29, 2022 21:32:28 GMT -5
Some members here supported Rush Limbaugh when he slut-shamed Wendy Evans over her contraception coverage/availability remarks. It's too boring to revisit that sort of misogyny.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 29, 2022 21:46:02 GMT -5
Some members here supported Rush Limbaugh when he slut-shamed Wendy Evans over contraception coverage. It's too boring to revisit that sort of misogyny. Well, it's not like your opinion is needed then.
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Post by Village Idiot on Jun 29, 2022 21:57:54 GMT -5
No link to interview with students available? I support a student/schoolgirl's need/desire to retain her bodily autonomy should she become pregnant but would be interested to hear/read her comments in full. Those were the comments. The only ones. My point, again, is that I believe there are circumstances where an abortion might be the better option for the child and/or the mother. The severely and multiply impaired child who can only communicate pain, which is round the clock. Or the twelve year old who is raped by her father. But I do not believe that abortion should be considered a method of birth control. The reality is that there are people who think of abortion in that light. And I disagree with those people. My stance is that abortion should be open to those who need it, but those girls did not describe a situation that fit that criteria for me.
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Post by james on Jun 29, 2022 22:12:34 GMT -5
I have difficulty accepting that abortion was what the girl regarded as a desirable method of "contraception". Abortion is understandable if, for instance, contraception fails and forced pregnancy, childbirth and motherhood are not wanted.
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Post by John B on Jun 29, 2022 22:12:39 GMT -5
No link to interview with students available? I support a student/schoolgirl's need/desire to retain her bodily autonomy should she become pregnant but would be interested to hear/read her comments in full. Those were the comments. The only ones. My point being what you heard and what was said may be two different things.
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Post by david on Jun 29, 2022 22:15:40 GMT -5
My mechanical mind has been a blessing and a curse for many issues and social situations. That mechanical approach, for me, means that life begins when the sperm enters the egg. It is a practical view that slants my entire belief on this issue. The inequitable result of this physical reality, to me, is that women alone suffer the physical consequences of sex. Men do not. Unwanted pregnancies can usually be avoided by birth control, but those are not 100% effective, and it has no, or at least limited, application in cases of rape.
Though I want equitable laws, there just cannot be any in this situation without disregarding the right of a fetus to life. So, to break it down to its simplest elements, the question to me is, when can you justify taking a human's life. For reasons I cannot explain, I think that it is justified to take the fetus' life in instances of rape, projected severe birth defects, or likelihood of death or serious injury to the mother. There might be other exceptions that I have not considered, but absent such extenuating circumstances, I believe that the fetus should be protected by the law.
I wish that the court opinion would have required extenuating circumstances to be considered by states.
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Post by james on Jun 29, 2022 22:31:55 GMT -5
Ken Paxton wants 'sodomy' outlawed in Texas. The legislative route is now clearing. The supposed justifications for the majority opinion in Dobbs seem to pave the way. As bad as the picture already is, Dobbs is potentially disastrous for many more reasons than the criminalisation of women and the denial of their essential and fundamental human right to bodily autonomy.
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Post by millring on Jun 30, 2022 3:58:16 GMT -5
Everyone -- both sides -- believe that a woman has the total right of control over her own body. And every time anyone offers that up as a reason to allow abortion they are begging the question. David said it about as well as it can be said.
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