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Post by millring on Jun 30, 2022 4:16:10 GMT -5
"Up yours, you backward, barbaric, misogynistic, un-named state, I'm not going to spend my time or money in your backward, barbaric, anti-female state, so there! I'm going to stay where it is civilized and women's rights are respected!" That you think that is reasonable says volumes.
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Post by jdd2 on Jun 30, 2022 6:17:51 GMT -5
I wonder what effect this SC ruling may have (if any) on baby hatches:
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Post by John B on Jun 30, 2022 6:27:03 GMT -5
"Up yours, you backward, barbaric, misogynistic, un-named state, I'm not going to spend my time or money in your backward, barbaric, anti-female state, so there! I'm going to stay where it is civilized and women's rights are respected!" That you think that is reasonable says volumes. It may be exaggerated for comic effect, but isn't that the basic sentiment behind any type of boycott - whether the target be Disney or Chik-fil-A? Or why there are certain local stores where I refuse to spend money - because I've met the owner and think he's a jerk?
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Post by millring on Jun 30, 2022 8:07:17 GMT -5
That you think that is reasonable says volumes. It may be exaggerated for comic effect, but isn't that the basic sentiment behind any type of boycott - whether the target be Disney or Chik-fil-A? Or why there are certain local stores where I refuse to spend money - because I've met the owner and think he's a jerk? If he doesn't think it's reasonable, then he is ridiculing and insulting the wrong party.
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Post by james on Jun 30, 2022 8:11:53 GMT -5
The labelling of abortion as murder, which has happened here is not particularly helpful for dialogue.
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Post by gbacklin on Jun 30, 2022 8:27:35 GMT -5
The labelling of abortion as murder, which has happened here is not particularly helpful for dialogue. I’m being honest here and not snarky at all. What would be your definition of murder.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 30, 2022 8:35:30 GMT -5
The labelling of abortion as murder, which has happened here is not particularly helpful for dialogue. Neither are the absolutely ridiculous terms "bodily autonomy" and "slut-shaming". But you probably knew that.
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Post by jdd2 on Jun 30, 2022 8:43:23 GMT -5
You're in a hospital. There's a fire. You have a choice to save a cart of 100 frozen embryos or one newborn from the NICU. Which do you choose?
And a pregnant mother should be okay using the HOV lane. (high occupancy vehicle)
Once pregnant, you should be able to take out a life insurance policy on your child, right? And collect if you miscarry.
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Post by epaul on Jun 30, 2022 8:48:56 GMT -5
"Up yours, you backward, barbaric, misogynistic, un-named state, I'm not going to spend my time or money in your backward, barbaric, anti-female state, so there! I'm going to stay where it is civilized and women's rights are respected!" That you think that is reasonable says volumes. Hey, I live in one of those backward, barbaric, misogynistic, states, and I love it here. You are so hungry to score a point you miss the speaker and the message. Don't ask me the message, I'm giving up.
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 30, 2022 8:57:19 GMT -5
You're in a hospital. There's a fire. You have a choice to save a cart of 100 frozen embryos or one newborn from the NICU. Which do you choose? And a pregnant mother should be okay using the HOV lane. (high occupancy vehicle) Once pregnant, you should be able to take out a life insurance policy on your child, right? And collect if you miscarry. Yet another ridiculous logical fallacy unrelated to actual events.
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Post by james on Jun 30, 2022 9:03:55 GMT -5
The labelling of abortion as murder, which has happened here is not particularly helpful for dialogue. I’m being honest here and not snarky at all. What would be your definition of murder. US law defines murder as "the unlawful killing of a human being with malice" UK law is similar but with fussier language. I am not a lexicographer. I have no particular problem with such definitions though. I am less comfortable with abortion being labelled murder, which by extension attacks many of our partners, relatives and friends and their abortion providers as murderers.
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Post by epaul on Jun 30, 2022 9:59:09 GMT -5
Ok, I will make a try.
The topic at hand was the intent of the words spoken by a couple angry and frustrated young women during a twenty second radio interview.
The quotes I placed in my post were there for a reason. They were to indicate that they the words of someone else, in this case, someone I created.
(It is sometimes necessary to read with some imagination.)
In this case, I imagined a very frustrated and very angry young woman, one very much like the ones currently being judged in this thread. I then allowed her to speak her mind freely while in this state of anger and frustration such as she might during a snap-interview on the radio. I'm not responsible for what she says. She spoke her mind in the moment, she spoke in anger and frustration without regard for temperance...
MUCH like the two young women being so thoughtfully judged in this forum for what they said in anger and frustration during a snap 20-second radio interview.
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Post by epaul on Jun 30, 2022 9:59:49 GMT -5
Maybe I should have created an older woman, one long past childbearing years, one who was similarly angry and frustrated over the Supreme Court ruling.
If it were an older woman, say 80 or so, then some readers wouldn't be so quick to assume that not being able to fuck like a rabbit without consequence was the reason for her anger and frustration with the Court's ruling. That maybe it was more... oh, what's the word... complicated... more complicated than that...
If it were an 80-old-woman then maybe some readers wouldn't be so singularly block-headed and default so quickly into their desert preacher mode...
If it were an 80-year-old woman, maybe, just maybe, they would be forced into an inkling that, for at least for this one person, maybe even for more, that maybe the anger and frustration over the Court ruling was about something other than just the right to have unfettered rabbit sex... that maybe it was about something else, some other rights perhaps, maybe something bigger than just a personal desire to fuck unfettered... and that maybe, just maybe, this something else might even hold true for young idealistic women as well.
Tough business for a desert preacher to imagine, but not everything is about a selfish desire for unfettered rabbit sex (tough for me sometimes, too, so don’t take it personally).
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Post by concertinagirl on Jun 30, 2022 10:01:27 GMT -5
A couple of perspectives:
- I can say with 100% certainty that women do use abortion as a form of contraception. Being female, I have spent plenty of time in female locker rooms, in clubs with groups of other women etc. I have heard the talk. The talk of having the “procedure” and getting on with their lives. I always found it interesting that they couldn’t seem to bring themselves to use the word abortion. Perhaps saying “procedure” somehow made it no different than a tooth extraction. It was just something that needed to be done.
I been thinking about those women these past weeks. I wonder if they think about what they’ve done. Do they have any regrets? Do they ever think about the child that could have been and what that child could have given to this world.
- Scott and I were in a small town last weekend. On a bridge (on both sides) were pro-choice protestors. Some were very very young. I’d say under age 10. I found it unsettling that children were being used to protest something they couldn’t possibly understand. Something else we noticed was that a large group of the women protesting were wearing “Humane Society” t-shirts. The kind that are given out at fundraising walks/runs. I found it unsettling again that people who were walking/running to save the lives of puppies were out protesting for the right to kill unborn human beings.
- My brother has Cerebral Palsy. He was born in 1951. In today’s world, my mother could have aborted him. “Murdering” him would have been far more convenient. It’s not easy raising a disabled child but what a tragic loss to the world that would have been. I adore him. My love and compassion for him has influenced my entire life and still does to this day.
- My son (Matt) went to high school with a young man named Chris. They ran cross country and track together. I don’t know if they were close friends but they spent a lot of time together participating in the sports. Chris was a “ladies man.” Handsome, athletic, smart...he had it all. He had a lot of women too. Every time I saw him, he was with a different one.
Fast forward two years. Matt and Chris went to the same university and continued to run cross country and track. In the Spring of their Sophomore year, I asked Matt, “Where is Chris?” “Did he give up running?” Matt said, “No, let me tell you what happened.”
Chris left the University after the Fall semester of his sophomore year. One of the women he was with told him that she “Aborted his kid.” Matt said, “Chris was devastated.” Matt recalled how he sat in his dorm room crying with his head in his hands repeating over and over, “How could she do that?” “How could she do that?”
Matt said, “He talked of killing himself.” Chris believed that because of his reckless behavior that another human being had died.
After Chris left school, they lost touch. A number of other friends of Chris lost touch as well. Matt and the friends tried to contact Chris’s parents but they had divorced and moved away.
A few years later I asked Matt, “Have you ever heard from Chris.” He said, “Yes, I heard from him about a year ago.” “After he left school he moved to Texas.” “He got involved with a church down there and studied to become a Minister.” “He now is a Pastor with a parish of his own, is married and has three little ones.” He turned his life around and has devoted himself to doing good for the world.
Chris’s first child had quite an impact on him even though he/she never made it out of the womb. Perhaps he/she didn’t die in vain...little consolation.
- The last thing I will say about this is that I would never want for a mother to die if the pregnancy is unsafe. I would never want for a women to not have chemotherapy because it could kill her unborn child. I do believe in life and death situations that the mother’s life comes first. As was stated in this thread earlier, there are times when abortion is MEDICALLY necessary and should be utilized. However, I don’t believe that is what those protestors on the bridge were advocating for. Those girls in the locker room were not at risk of dying. They simply didn’t want to be inconvenienced. Chris’s lady friend...I believe you get my point.
I don’t know if there is any other topic out there that distresses me more than this one.
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Post by james on Jun 30, 2022 10:27:39 GMT -5
Contraception and abortion are not the same thing.
Pregnancy and childbirth are more than a mere "inconvenience"
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Roe V Wade
Jun 30, 2022 10:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by millring on Jun 30, 2022 10:28:39 GMT -5
That you think that is reasonable says volumes. Hey, I live in one of those backward, barbaric, misogynistic, states, and I love it here. You are so hungry to score a point you miss the speaker and the message. Don't ask me the message, I'm giving up. Huh?
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Post by aquaduct on Jun 30, 2022 10:29:50 GMT -5
Forced pregnancy and childbirth are more than a mere "inconvenience" Who exactly is forcing pregnancy on anyone?
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Roe V Wade
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Post by millring on Jun 30, 2022 10:32:05 GMT -5
then some readers wouldn't be so quick to assume that not being able to fuck like a rabbit without consequences Maybe if you didn't overstate the proposition to score points with your vulgar ridicule a discussion might ensue.
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Post by gbacklin on Jun 30, 2022 10:38:10 GMT -5
... I always found it interesting that they couldn’t seem to bring themselves to use the word abortion. That reminded me of when I was growing up and during those times, (according to my mother at the time), the word pregnant was not to be used under any circumstance. You are to use "pg" or "with child". This was coming from a mother with a full military vocabulary
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Post by epaul on Jun 30, 2022 11:19:01 GMT -5
then some readers wouldn't be so quick to assume that not being able to fuck like a rabbit without consequences Maybe if you didn't overstate the proposition to score points with your vulgar ridicule a discussion might ensue. My posts were clearly and specifically a reaction to some of the judgements made here concerning the motivation and character of a couple high school kids, all based solely on Todd’s description of twenty-second radio interview. Below are your comments concerning the motivation and character of these kids based on this re-telling of a twenty-second radio interview. Ok, while you didn’t specifically use the word “rabbit sex”, I don’t believe I mischaracterized the singular motivation you applied to a couple upset and angry kids and the damning judgement you made of their character. Do you even listen to yourself?
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