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Post by epaul on Jan 8, 2024 16:50:17 GMT -5
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Post by epaul on Jan 8, 2024 17:04:56 GMT -5
The needs of the political bombard us daily with their self-servings. Fake News.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 8, 2024 19:27:41 GMT -5
Fareed for President !
I love the guy. Well I mean I like him a lot. I always watch GPS. But I tape it so I haven’t seen this one yet.
He had some experts on last month talking about Israel. And one guy said something that struck me. He said (and I paraphrase) that older generations remember the forming of Israel. And the 1967 war. Middle aged people remember the ‘72 war and the the Peace Accords. But young people who are college age only know Israel as Netanyahu.
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Post by epaul on Jan 8, 2024 19:29:18 GMT -5
(I think that guy was a girl)
At least the person I saw make that telling point was female. What period shaped your views. Did you see Exodus when your brain was young... or the leveling of Gaza.
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Dub
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I'm gettin' so the past is the only thing I can remember.
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Post by Dub on Jan 8, 2024 20:25:08 GMT -5
(I think that guy was a girl) At least the person I saw make that telling point was female. What period shaped your views. Did you see Exodus when your brain was young... or the leveling of Gaza. What I remember is the map of Palestine on the wall in our Sunday School room. We called it Palestine because that was the name of the country. Israel was what the people were called who followed Moses out of Egypt. On edit: This was 1946-1947 before there was a country called Israel.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 8, 2024 22:08:17 GMT -5
(I think that guy was a girl) At least the person I saw make that telling point was female. What period shaped your views. Did you see Exodus when your brain was young... or the leveling of Gaza. I don't think so. I guess it's a common thread of reasoning these days. What I saw (can't find it) was Fareed sitting at a table with 2 guys; one a Republican, and one a Democrat. The R was an old school R; a former Bush guy of some sort. It was the D guy who brought up the generational view of Israel.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 8, 2024 22:14:17 GMT -5
Here's his talk about Democrats and immigration www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/09/17/exp-gps-0917-fareeds-take.cnnIt bothers me greatly that the Ds have their head in the sand about immigration. Biden is too wrapped up in his World-Oder-Leader-of-the-Free-World persona to take a look at populace concerns about domestic issues. Somebody in his entourage of advisers needs to slap him upside the head, or we're going to get another Trump presidency. Absolutely blows my mind.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jan 8, 2024 22:34:33 GMT -5
Marshall, what is Biden supposed to do about immigration? Congress has let this fester for years without doing anything meaningful. There is no place to put the hordes who are coming. Should we build concentration camps along the border? What, realistically, can be done?
There are intractable problems in the world today. Homelessness, mental health issues, immigration. There isn’t enough money in the world to fix all these things.
Mike
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Post by epaul on Jan 8, 2024 23:30:52 GMT -5
(I think that guy was a girl) At least the person I saw make that telling point was female. What period shaped your views. Did you see Exodus when your brain was young... or the leveling of Gaza. I don't think so. I guess it's a common thread of reasoning these days. What I saw (can't find it) was Fareed sitting at a table with 2 guys; one a Republican, and one a Democrat. The R was an old school R; a former Bush guy of some sort. It was the D guy who brought up the generational view of Israel. It's a great minds thing, then. I listened to a spokesperson (F) for some domestic Israeli advocacy group on either Firing line or Amanpour. And she talked about the images that informed generational views of Israel in response to a question as to why these generational divides exist. For simplicity, she divided it into thirds. The oldest who saw Israel as this bold attempt for homeland and justice pitted against the Arab hordes. The underdog. Exodus, the movie. The middles who saw Israel as this nifty techy democracy that made the desert bloom and created a wonder country that was amazing the world in science and the arts, in short, a really cool, nifty country surrounded by a sea of dismal ineptitude and stupid backwardness. Israel, the amazing super country. (I raise my hand here. Me!). And the youngest, those to whom the only Israel they have ever seen appears as an armed to the teeth military industrial complex; a bully, a bully country that is keeping poor Palestinians locked into cramped, dirty, misery-filled reservations of poverty and despair with no hope of a future. Tanks and jets vs sticks and stones. She was not arguing that any of these views was right or wrong or complete, just that they could be seen as generational milieus that could help explain the generational divides that very clearly exist as regards Israel/Palestine.
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Post by millring on Jan 9, 2024 4:50:09 GMT -5
I don't think so. I guess it's a common thread of reasoning these days. What I saw (can't find it) was Fareed sitting at a table with 2 guys; one a Republican, and one a Democrat. The R was an old school R; a former Bush guy of some sort. It was the D guy who brought up the generational view of Israel. It's a great minds thing, then. I listened to a spokesperson (F) for some domestic Israeli advocacy group on either Firing line or Amanpour. And she talked about the images that informed generational views of Israel in response to a question as to why these generational divides exist. For simplicity, she divided it into thirds. The oldest who saw Israel as this bold attempt for homeland and justice pitted against the Arab hordes. The underdog. Exodus, the movie. The middles who saw Israel as this nifty techy democracy that made the desert bloom and created a wonder country that was amazing the world in science and the arts, in short, a really cool, nifty country surrounded by a sea of dismal ineptitude and stupid backwardness. Israel, the amazing super country. (I raise my hand here. Me!). And the youngest, those to whom the only Israel they have ever seen appears as an armed to the teeth military industrial complex; a bully, a bully country that is keeping poor Palestinians locked into cramped, dirty, misery-filled reservations of poverty and despair with no hope of a future. Tanks and jets vs sticks and stones. She was not arguing that any of these views was right or wrong or complete, just that they could be seen as generational milieus that could help explain the generational divides that very clearly exist as regards Israel/Palestine. That's not generational. That's a shift in media advocacy (as evidenced by the fact that you guys -- presumably of the second generation described -- are in the third group). One of the many things to admire about the American left is its unwavering compassion for the underdog. What's not so admirable is its assumption that every inequity equals injustice.
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Post by theevan on Jan 9, 2024 10:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by coachdoc on Jan 9, 2024 11:55:08 GMT -5
Boy, he’s got strong and supple hands.
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Post by theevan on Jan 9, 2024 19:12:48 GMT -5
Boy, he’s got strong and supple hands. Sure does. Chicago boy...
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Post by Cornflake on Jan 9, 2024 19:29:25 GMT -5
"This was 1946-1947 before there was a country called Israel."
Dub, unless I'm mistaken, there wasn't a country called Palestine, either. Palestine was a region in the Ottoman Empire until the Brits took it over, and then it was a protectorate.
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Post by Marshall on Jan 9, 2024 19:31:00 GMT -5
Marshall, what is Biden supposed to do about immigration? Congress has let this fester for years without doing anything meaningful. There is no place to put the hordes who are coming. Should we build concentration camps along the border? What, realistically, can be done? There are intractable problems in the world today. Homelessness, mental health issues, immigration. There isn’t enough money in the world to fix all these things. Mike It’s an intractable problem in the world. But it’s not just our job to solve it. If we closed the border, hordes would stop coming. If you want to escape Venezuela, you can go to Mexico, or Brazil , or someplace. It’s not mandatory that the US take everybody that wants in for any reason. I’m all for some controllable level of immigration. But it’s not our responsibility to solve all the world’s problems. And furthermore, by allowing an open border, it fuels the most solid issue red state politicians have. I fear a Trump resurgence greatly. And I think Biden’s open border policy heightens that possibility greatly.
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Post by Cornflake on Jan 9, 2024 19:32:00 GMT -5
"It bothers me greatly that the Ds have their head in the sand about immigration."
I agree.
"Biden is too wrapped up in his World-Oder-Leader-of-the-Free-World persona to take a look at populace concerns about domestic issues."
I disagree. Except for immigration he's done a very good job.
"Somebody in his entourage of advisers needs to slap him upside the head, or we're going to get another Trump presidency."
I agree.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jan 9, 2024 21:47:45 GMT -5
“ If we closed the border, hordes would stop coming.”
Really? You expect People who are willing to walk thousands of miles risking hunger, exposure to harsh elements, being preyed on by criminal gangs, all for the hope of a better life, to be turned back by a closed border?
Mike
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Post by coachdoc on Jan 10, 2024 0:23:24 GMT -5
What does it say on the statue of a lady holding a torch in the New York harbor?
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Post by millring on Jan 10, 2024 5:17:48 GMT -5
I fear a Trump resurgence greatly. If you believe he was soundly defeated in 2020, there's absolutely no chance he could ever win a presidency again. Nothing has changed.
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Post by millring on Jan 10, 2024 5:19:49 GMT -5
And furthermore, by allowing an open border, it fuels the most solid issue red state politicians have. And that's the problem you have with an open border? You don't believe the "red state politicians"? You just don't want them empowered by an "issue"?
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