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Post by theevan on Jul 27, 2024 13:33:57 GMT -5
The 2022 Birmingham commonwealth games (opening ceremony) was a Baal-fest? First I've heard of this. Where was my invitation?  I was not aware that the denizens of Birmingham revered the ancient north-west semitic storm deity so highly.  Check that massive creature in the opening tableau. Jibes with one of the several depictions of that Canaanite deity. Then the dancers gather around and bow to it. |
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Post by epaul on Jul 27, 2024 13:35:27 GMT -5
Not a bad idea, Mike. But no, stone cold sober. For one, a mockery of the Last Supper. In case y'all missed it. This sort of thing seems to be standard fare these days. Those games in Birmingham (?) UK last year was a remarkable Baal-fest. All the way back to the winter games in Norway, lots of pagan references. Not a fan, but whatever. But mocking Christian symbols is not cool, just as mocking Jewish, Hindu, Islamic symbols would not be cool. A keen eye would also notice a celebration of pedophilia. But I digress. Evan, I have to say I didn't see what you saw during the opening ceremony. Probably because I didn't watch the opening ceremony. (I have my own issues with these Olympics...). So, I watched some youtube clips to see what the heck was going on. Ok, how to say this without sounding patronizing... I can't say I agree with all you are saying, but I sure the dickens (notice I didn't gratuitously use "hell" or "fuck" as my adjective, opting instead for the respectful "dickens") I sure the dickens understand, as well as I can understand, different shoes and all, why you the found the drag queen Jesus thing offensive. Damn offensive. In your shoes, I would feel the same. However, as I am currently wearing my hot pink bra with the feathered boa combo, I can grasp a bit of the 'why' in the "why all this in your faceness" of the Drag community, as well. They are out of closet and don't want to go back in; we are here and we like sunshine, too. Anyway, don't be distracted by the fun I have when I write. Evan, I do see what offended you and you have good reason to be offended. And you aren't weird or drunk. (well, you are a little weird, playing nylon strings and all, but you're weird in a good way.) Anyway, this is just a 'hands across the religion divide' deal. |
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Post by Marshall on Jul 27, 2024 13:51:43 GMT -5
 It was weird. |
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Post by Marshall on Jul 27, 2024 13:53:46 GMT -5
I've seen/heard it reported that the horse's rider represented Sequana, goddess of the source of the river Seine. Shades of Joan of Arc though. Perhaps a bit of a mash-up? I've surfed and can find no authoritative description of the source of the horse and rider. |
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Post by epaul on Jul 27, 2024 13:54:36 GMT -5
I hope the above came out like I wanted it to. The trouble with saying "I can understand why you feel that way" is:
1) the person is in no need of your understanding. That onus is on you, they're fine.
2) you can't understand, anyway.
Still, we try...
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Post by james on Jul 27, 2024 14:04:10 GMT -5
The 2022 Birmingham commonwealth games (opening ceremony) was a Baal-fest? First I've heard of this. Where was my invitation? I was not aware that the denizens of Birmingham revered the ancient north-west semitic storm deity so highly. Check that massive creature in the opening tableau. Jibes with one of the several depictions of that Canaanite deity. Then the dancers gather around and bow to it. The bull? The city of Birmingham has famously and for quite a long time long had a bull as it's mascot. That one is now at the railway station and is affectionately named Ozzy. www.explorebirmingham.uk/post/a-load-of-bull-how-birmingham-chose-its-city-symbol |
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Post by james on Jul 27, 2024 15:13:51 GMT -5
I've seen/heard it reported that the horse's rider represented Sequana, goddess of the source of the river Seine. Shades of Joan of Arc though. Perhaps a bit of a mash-up? I've surfed and can find no authoritative description of the source of the horse and rider. I've not scoured the web very deeply but, unlike this chap, it's fair to say that I doubt it was a representation of one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse or some such thing. youtu.be/Oz8Nzq0SVMA?si=scWxLaECWr9_eRBf |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jul 27, 2024 15:23:59 GMT -5
It was weird. When Jesus made the reservation for the last supper he asked for a table for 26. The innkeeper asked "Why, there are only 13 of you?" Jesus said "We're all going to sit on the same side." |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jul 27, 2024 16:42:11 GMT -5
OK, the drag last supper thing could be construed as offensive, or weird, or funny, Depends on your point of view. The mechanical horse was one of the coolest things I’ve seen. Lennon’s Imagine was spectacular. Well worthwhile finding on YouTube if you missed it. And a Celine Dion was beyond spectacular. I’m calling it the best opening ceremony I’ve seen.
Mike
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Post by billhammond on Jul 27, 2024 16:48:43 GMT -5
OK, the drag last supper thing could be construed as offensive, or weird, or funny, Depends on your point of view. The mechanical horse was one of the coolest things I’ve seen. Lennon’s Imagine was spectacular. Well worthwhile finding on YouTube if you missed it. And a Celine Dion was beyond spectacular. I’m calling it the best opening ceremony I’ve seen. Mike And how wonderful that Snoop Dogg could play a key role. The kind of person we want our kids to emulate. |
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jul 27, 2024 17:02:10 GMT -5
OK, the drag last supper thing could be construed as offensive, or weird, or funny, Depends on your point of view. The mechanical horse was one of the coolest things I’ve seen. Lennon’s Imagine was spectacular. Well worthwhile finding on YouTube if you missed it. And a Celine Dion was beyond spectacular. I’m calling it the best opening ceremony I’ve seen. Mike And how wonderful that Snoop Dogg could play a key role. The kind of person we want our kids to emulate. I googled “How much did Snoop Dog pay to carry the Torch” but it turned up nothing. I was sure he bought his way in. Then my wife googled a bunch of stuff about how Snoop involved with youth sports, how he gives back and the stuff he does for community. Turns out there are a lot worse people to emulate. Mike |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jul 27, 2024 17:05:14 GMT -5
And how wonderful that Snoop Dogg could play a key role. The kind of person we want our kids to emulate. I googled “How much did Snoop Dog pay to carry the Torch” but it turned up nothing. I was sure he bought his way in. Then my wife googled a bunch of stuff about how Snoop involved with youth sports, how he gives back and the stuff he does for community. Turns out there are a lot worse people to emulate. Mike Vance is just happy he's not Snoop Catt. |
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Post by TKennedy on Jul 27, 2024 17:11:59 GMT -5
Christianity was a soft target. Now a cross dressing Koran parody- that’d take balls,
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Post by Dub on Jul 27, 2024 17:59:01 GMT -5
I haven’t watched any of this. I enjoy seeing the actual athletic contests but I’m guessing I don’t have access to those.
I tend to be tolerant of any religious views and practices that don’t cause harm to others. At the same time, I see no justification for publicly demeaning that which is sacred to others. I had no desire to see Jesus Christ Superstar and I felt uncomfortably dirty after seeing Rosemary’s Baby.
I have read D.H. Lawrence’s The Man Who Died.
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Post by concertinagirl on Jul 27, 2024 18:13:14 GMT -5
I tend to be tolerant of any religious views and practices that don’t cause harm to others. At the same time, I see no justification for publicly demeaning that which is sacred to others. Well said. Thank you. |
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Post by billhammond on Jul 27, 2024 18:21:55 GMT -5
I googled “How much did Snoop Dog pay to carry the Torch” but it turned up nothing. I was sure he bought his way in. Then my wife googled a bunch of stuff about how Snoop involved with youth sports, how he gives back and the stuff he does for community. Turns out there are a lot worse people to emulate. Mike OK, rich stoners can do good things. So put them in the Olympic spotlight and encourage young people to achieve his champion-level toke numbers. |
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Post by epaul on Jul 27, 2024 19:22:54 GMT -5
The Drag Last Supper was offensive.
But, while not being privy to whatever minds put the drag supper on, I have, I think, an idea, sort of, maybe, what the offensiveness was about.
I don't think they were ripping Jesus and the disciples. Nor was the intent to offend anyone's faith by ridiculing The Last Supper and what it represents. At some level, yes, there was an intent to offend, to be purposely offensive, but the presented offense was themselves. As in...
"Ok, you find us offensive, yet we were there, too, at that Table. We were at the Holy Table along with everyone else, and we belong at the Table along with else. The wine, the bread, the blood, the sacrifice, everything the Table was and is, was, and is, meant for all of us. We were at The Table, and we belong to The Table.
The Table was set, and meant, for all. And we, in all our glorious queerness, we were, and are, at The Table, too."
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Post by epaul on Jul 27, 2024 19:24:45 GMT -5
Not saying it worked or that it was the best idea ever. But, well, I took my metaphorical stab at it. And I think I'm close.
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Post by millring on Jul 28, 2024 6:14:24 GMT -5
The last supper wasn't a celebratory romp.
Everyone is welcome to the table. But it's a table of brokenness.
If anyone believes they are deserving of the grace offered -- whether they are repulsive, white, Republican, Americans, or beautiful gay media darlings -- they have ...we have... totally missed the point. But maybe there's grace for us too?
Jesus said that he didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. I think modern Americans like the part about who he came to call. But I suspect we ignore that last bit about "repentance". Like our favorite Jesus story is the one where he rescues the woman caught in adultery by pointing out the sinful lives of the hypocritical accusers....and then we conveniently forget that Jesus LAST words in the story were to that woman, saying "go and sin no more".
But, yes, the table is welcome to all.
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Post by epaul on Jul 28, 2024 10:37:24 GMT -5
... The Table was set, and meant, for all. And we, in all our glorious queerness, we were, and are, at The Table, too." Mind you, I was speaking for Bill. Not me. Just wanted to clear about that. |
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