Are we safe?

[papabill]

This is from someone who should know:


homeland.house.gov/2024/09/27/chairman-green-on-new-shocking-numbers-of-criminal-illegal-aliens-roaming-free-in-u-s-defies-all-common-sense/

[jdd2]

yawn...

[Hobson]

The short answer is no.

[aquaduct]

Sept 28, 2024 0:55:41 GMT -5 papabill said:

This is from someone who should know:


homeland.house.gov/2024/09/27/chairman-green-on-new-shocking-numbers-of-criminal-illegal-aliens-roaming-free-in-u-s-defies-all-common-sense/

Of course not. And now the leftists want us to put a moron in charge.

Go figure.

[TKennedy]

I remember well how hated Truman was in our Republican household when he was in office. Especially when he fired McArthur. Now he is considered a good president.

You never know until they hold the office and history has a chance for a more accurate assessment. My observations of #45 and opinions of those that worked with him make me more than willing to take a chance on his opponent.

[Cornflake]

I haven't given Biden high marks for handling immigration. That said, it irks me to see the Republicans playing politics with this after Trump torpedoed a bipartisan bill that would have improved matters. I'd also be interested in seeing comparable numbers regarding the criminal history of illegal aliens for the Trump years.

[james]

www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/debunking-myth-migrant-crime-wave

www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/fbi-data-confirms-drop-most-crimes-2023-especially-murders

[papabill]

Sept 28, 2024 10:09:53 GMT -5 Cornflake said:

I haven't given Biden high marks for handling immigration. That said, it irks me to see the Republicans playing politics with this after Trump torpedoed a bipartisan bill that would have improved matters. I'd also be interested in seeing comparable numbers regarding the criminal history of illegal aliens for the Trump years.

The stats were from ICE. I don't have the stats for the Trump years but here's a comparison of deportations:


www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68428154

[Russell Letson]

Safe from what? From whom? And where are "we"?

As to the linked press release (because that's what it is) from Mark Green (and I'll get to him later), it's interesting to compare the language of Green's statement to that of the ICE Deputy Director that forms most of the basis for it.

It may be shocking to hear that the Biden-Harris administration is actively releasing tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens into our communities, but their own numbers conclusively prove this to be the case. This defies all common sense. Under President Biden and his ‘border czar,’ Vice President Harris, DHS law enforcement has been directed to mass-release illegal aliens whom they know have criminal convictions or are facing charges for serious crimes—and these dangerous, destructive individuals are making their way into every city and state in this country. How many more Americans need to die or be victimized before this administration is forced to abide by the laws they swore to uphold? This is madness. It is something no civilized, well-functioning society should tolerate.

Emote much, Mark? The ICE letter is, well, cooler in tone.

. . . some jurisdictions have reduced their cooperation with ICE, to include refusal to
honor ICE detainer requests, even for noncitizens who have been convicted of serious felonies and pose an ongoing threat to public safety. ICE recognizes that some jurisdictions are concerned that cooperating with federal immigration officials will erode trust with immigrant communities and make it harder for local law enforcement to serve those populations. However, “sanctuary” policies can end up shielding dangerous criminals, who often victimize those same communities.

It is important to note that detention determinations are made using a few guidelines. First, ICE is bound by statutory requirements not to release certain noncitizens from ICE custody during the pendency of removal proceedings and notes that most noncitizens who are convicted of homicide are typically not eligible for release from ICE custody under §236(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. Second and in limited circumstances when 236(c) does not apply, ICE officers may use their discretion in making custody determinations and release noncitizens with conditions. ICE custody determinations are made on a case-by-case basis and take into account the individual case circumstances, primarily considering risk of flight, national security threat, and threat to public safety. ICE takes other factors into consideration as well, including when a noncitizen has a serious medical condition, is the
primary caregiver of minor children, or other humanitarian considerations.

The letter also includes a table that breaks down the numbers of undetained by convicted, charged, and category of crime.

Which is not to say that there are not significant logistical, legal, and humanitarian problems with our immigration system. But Green's characterization is framed in hair-on-fire language that includes the predictable election-year sniping at Harris as "border czar."

Now about Rep. Green: A member of the Freedom Caucus whose public record includes support of creationism, election-fraud mythology, a moment-of-conception anti-abortion position, climate-change denial, and (thoroughly debunked) vaccines-cause-autism bullshit. In short, a solid resume for a right-wing ideologue.

[papabill]

I suppose this doesn't resonate until it hits home.


www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/illegal-immigrant-allegedly-rapes-10-year-old-boy-in-mississippi-netizens-blame-terrible-border-czar-kamala-harris/ar-AA1p5wOh

[Russell Letson]

Fully half of that story (from the Hindustani Times) is spent on reactions found on the Twitter/X Trump War Room account. That's news? And the story's byline is that of a Kolkata-based journalist--so what are her sources? Sumanti Sen's HT story closely follows an earlier one from KFOX14, sourced via The National Desk, a Sinclair-owned news service--though Sen includes more direct material from the Trump War Room posts.

"Netizens" are not what I would call reliable news sources--nor are their reactions even newsworthy, outside the op-ed pages, where they provide ammunition for, well, opinions and editorializing.

[james]

I could probably post news reports about child sexual abuse by Sheriff's deputies, youth pastors and sundry allegedly God-fearing evangelicals daily. I  won't do that though. Not yet.

[epaul]

It's well past time to begin deporting Catholic priests.

[papabill]

Sept 29, 2024 12:53:00 GMT -5 james said:

I could probably post news reports about child sexual abuse by Sheriff's deputies, youth pastors and sundry allegedly God-fearing evangelicals daily. I  won't do that though. Not yet.

Yes, you could post many reports of child molestation. That doesn't change the fact that this happened. This kind of sickness should not be allowed to happen.
While we're pointing the finger of blame, let's include Hollywood (the entertainment industry) and our elected officials, especially in Washington, D.C.! That doesn't change the fact that it's an evil sickness and should be stopped, regardless of who does it.

[papabill]

Sept 29, 2024 15:45:02 GMT -5 epaul said:

It's well past time to begin deporting Catholic priests.

No perpetrator should escape punishment, regardless of their status.

[Russell Letson]

So is the issue the existence of sexual abuse of children or the legal status of the abuser in this particular case? The weight of the linked story is on the latter, and the bulk of that comes from the comments on the Trumpist X account--followed by a tag paragraph pointing to a case of attempted rape in Brooklyn. It plays exactly into the picture being promoted by the Trump campaign--that immigrants bring crime and disease, and that somehow Harris is directly responsible for it all. And it's xenophobic fear-mongering.

[howard lee]

[epaul]

I agree illegal border crossings by refugees is out of control... and it needs to be controlled.

My issue with Team Trump is that their argument for border control, and it is their argument, is that these border crossings need to be stopped because these people coming in are rapists, murderers, drug smugglers... in short, really, really, really bad people. Trump is stoking fear and hatred towards these people; he is campaigning on fear and hatred.

But, these people aren't really, really, really bad people. They are just people, people like any other people, only they are more desperate, scared, and hungry than most people. They are refugees, which means they are running from something, trying to get away from something.

Make an argument against uncontrolled border crossings that doesn't demonize the refugees. The refugees aren't the problem. Their home countries are the problem, our lack of control of the border is the problem, our lack of infrastructure and support and room to handle uncontrolled influxes of people is the problem.

There is nothing wrong with saying we can't handle this influx of refugees. There is nothing wrong with saying we don't want to handle this uncontrolled influx of refugees. The boat is full. We want to control the movement of peoples across our borders. JUST SAY THAT. Don't say, as Trumpsters do, that they are BAD, BAD, PEOPLE. MURDERERS, RAPISTS, DRUG RUNNERS, LIBERALS!

Same with that dummy Vance spreading the bullshit about the dog and cat eaters. He was spreading hate, hate against a group of people. Hate based on bullshit! Those Haitians aren't to blame for the mess in Springfield. Blame a stupid government program that dumped a whole bunch of LEGAL refugees in a town without offering the help or resources needed to deal with what the government dumped on them. There is the blame. That was and is the problem. Not the people, not the refugees, but the stupid lack of planning and help for towns and cities to deal with the issues legal and illegal refugee settlement and relocation creates. But, Vance...

Tell the damn TRUTH. It isn't the helpless without a pot to shit in refugees that are the problem, it is everything else. Cast the blame where it belongs. Then work to fix it. Don't demonize the helpless and innocent.

But, that is how Trump rolls. He spreads fear and hate. That is his gameplan. Just like it was for ...

[epaul]

And I don't think Catholic priests should be deported. At least not all of them. Ok, none of them. Just hopelessly trying to make a point.

It's just that, again, the Trump argument is that if one refugee or one Trans kid commits a rape, it is used as a brush to paint them all. One Trans kid does something in a bathroom and all hell breaks loose in Trumpville. MENACE, DANGER, PROTECTED PERVERTS, GET THEM OUT!

But if rape is the game, the score is: Catholic Church 123,000. Trans kids 1.

[Cornflake]

I think the border should be as secure as we can make it and that we should quit trying to be the world's lifeboat. But this scare campaign is despicable.