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Mar 27, 2015 19:58:37 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:58:37 GMT -5
Leftist morons like Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, or leftist morons on the left?
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Mar 27, 2015 20:00:15 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 27, 2015 20:00:15 GMT -5
I will probably not vote for Cruz. My main issue is the escalation of the war in the Middle East. I fear that Cruz is among the dying numbers who still believe in a military solution. Maybe there is a military solution, but so far I remain as unconvinced as I was when George Bush dragged us into escalating the war that Hussein started in the 80s. I'm more isolationist and favor, at this point, the rhetoric of Rand Paul to that of Cruz. But I think a Cruz candidacy will be a good one because, counter to the ridicule, if you really listen to the guy, he's the first in a long time who actually DOESN'T speak conservative as a second language (a hilarious and accurate tag some wag put on Romney).
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Mar 27, 2015 20:01:24 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 20:01:24 GMT -5
Leftist morons like Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, or leftist morons on the left? No, actual morons like Warren and uncle Joe.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:01:37 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 20:01:37 GMT -5
Obama says it was devastating. That's rich. I knew you'd say that, but it was one of the first things that came up on Google. If I cared enough to keep looking, I would have gone for a breakdown from S&P since many were using their estimate. Not that any source at all would convince you.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:01:37 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 27, 2015 20:01:37 GMT -5
One of a couple guys that seem to understand that you can't win by letting liberals frame the debate. exactly. And has already lost the "friends with the press" dream and, as such, doesn't feel compelled to play their gotcha game for a chance at being one of the cool kids.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:02:23 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2015 20:02:23 GMT -5
If the government doesn't to stuff (the parts not essential) for 3 weeks. It cost x dollars to do that stuff. Government saves x dollars. Should work that way but the employees that didn't do stuff got an extra free paid vacation so in truth. Government saves x dollars minus the salaries. I'm guessing the x dollars was 90% or more salaries so that cuts the debt that you are sticking on your kids and grandkids by 10% or so of x dollars. I don't see why the employees got paid for their free vacation. The effects were pretty far reaching. As a major part of our economy, a slowdown in the government hurts the economy just like a slowdown in the commercial or investment sectors. If you're wondering what else could possibly have been affected: www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/reports/impacts-and-costs-of-october-2013-federal-government-shutdown-report.pdfDid it slowdown your personal economy? I think it did for Peter if I remember right, and it would for any of those on paid vacation government employees. And if you want to stretch it if you are a contractor and the only customer you have is one of those "stuff" government jobs it's gonna slowdown your personal economy, but most likely not your employees personal economy because you aren't going to lay them off for a temporary slow down. The difference between government and commercial or investment sectors is that you don't know if it's short or long term. All economics is personal. If you are getting a 50% raise every year you feel sorry for the guy who got laid off but your personal economy is fine. People vote their pocket book.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:05:34 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 20:05:34 GMT -5
I will probably not vote for Cruz. My main issue is the escalation of the war in the Middle East. I fear that Cruz is among the dying numbers who still believe in a military solution. Maybe there is a military solution, but so far I remain as unconvinced as I was when George Bush dragged us into escalating the war that Hussein started in the 80s. I'm more isolationist and favor, at this point, the rhetoric of Rand Paul to that of Cruz. But I think a Cruz candidacy will be a good one because, counter to the ridicule, if you really listen to the guy, he's the first in a long time who actually DOESN'T speak conservative as a second language (a hilarious and accurate tag some wag put on Romney). Ok, thanks. That's not that different from my feelings about Warren. Not that she's running. But if she was, I'd have to give it some serious thought.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:07:16 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 20:07:16 GMT -5
Obama says it was devastating. That's rich. I knew you'd say that, but it was one of the first things that came up on Google. If I cared enough to keep looking, I would have gone for a breakdown from S&P since many were using their estimate. Not that any source at all would convince you. S&P estimated (hypothesized really) a 2 percent slow down in GDP growth that can't be measured. Yes, I'm pretty skeptical.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:07:34 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 20:07:34 GMT -5
Did it slowdown your personal economy? I think it did for Peter if I remember right, and it would for any of those on paid vacation government employees. And if you want to stretch it if you are a contractor and the only customer you have is one of those "stuff" government jobs it's gonna slowdown your personal economy, but most likely not your employees personal economy because you aren't going to lay them off for a temporary slow down. The difference between government and commercial or investment sectors is that you don't know if it's short or long term. All economics is personal. If you are getting a 50% raise every year you feel sorry for the guy who got laid off but your personal economy is fine. People vote their pocket book. Doug, read the report or don't. But don't argue with me about the report that you didn't read while including it in your quote.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:08:04 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 27, 2015 20:08:04 GMT -5
Dar has summed up Cruz's chances thus: Nobody will vote for a voice like that knowing that they'll have to hear it for four years at least. And his looks? ....bless his heart.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:08:52 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2015 20:08:52 GMT -5
I will probably not vote for Cruz. My main issue is the escalation of the war in the Middle East. I fear that Cruz is among the dying numbers who still believe in a military solution. Maybe there is a military solution, but so far I remain as unconvinced as I was when George Bush dragged us into escalating the war that Hussein started in the 80s. I'm more isolationist and favor, at this point, the rhetoric of Rand Paul to that of Cruz. But I think a Cruz candidacy will be a good one because, counter to the ridicule, if you really listen to the guy, he's the first in a long time who actually DOESN'T speak conservative as a second language (a hilarious and accurate tag some wag put on Romney). The war would be a big issue for me. I only support the war if congress declares war and we do it with all our might, don't hold anything back. That would give us 20 to 50 years of no one messing with us. But he has voted money for the illegal wars we are fighting so I wouldn't vote for him.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:31:22 GMT -5
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Post by jdd2 on Mar 27, 2015 20:31:22 GMT -5
The new Watergate: we will soon hear that someone has surreptitiously planted a new water heater in the Cruz' home.
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Mar 27, 2015 20:38:59 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 27, 2015 20:38:59 GMT -5
The new Watergate: we will soon hear that someone has surreptitiously planted a new water heater in the Cruz' home.
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Mar 27, 2015 21:05:59 GMT -5
Post by patrick on Mar 27, 2015 21:05:59 GMT -5
Face it, parts of the government shut down for a couple of weeks and no one noticed. It was a non-event, zilch, nada. they all got paid for the time off. Essential services, those things the government is supposed to do, all got done. Many of us think it's really nice when the government is off. A few parties may have been cancelled, group meetings at Las Vegas postponed, stuff like that but really no one out in the public noticed. As for who noticed it, lots of people, including the government employees who had to keep working in spite of not getting paid. And then there were the people who depend on government services for their own businesses. In the Rockies, since the Department of the Interior wasn't clearing snow on highways in the parks, local businesses were severely impacted for months following. There are more contractors than federal employees now, when the gov't shuts down, they don't work, they don't get paid. You have no idea how much of an impact a true government shutdown causes, because a lot of effort goes into minimizing it.
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Mar 27, 2015 21:14:05 GMT -5
Post by Rob Hanesworth on Mar 27, 2015 21:14:05 GMT -5
Dar has summed up Cruz's chances thus: Nobody will vote for a voice like that knowing that they'll have to hear it for four years at least. And his looks? ....bless his heart. So, Dar's ridiculing him too?
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Mar 27, 2015 21:30:38 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 21:30:38 GMT -5
Cruz, Huckabee, Santorum, Carson etc. etc. All failing to sufficiently communicate with and listen to wider communities than their fearful and resentful base and recognise their diminishing persuasive powers with the 14th amendment sympathetic, not theocratically inclined portion of the electorate. It just won't fly. IMO.
Edit - Removed H from IMHO
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Mar 27, 2015 22:57:03 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2015 22:57:03 GMT -5
Face it, parts of the government shut down for a couple of weeks and no one noticed. It was a non-event, zilch, nada. they all got paid for the time off. Essential services, those things the government is supposed to do, all got done. Many of us think it's really nice when the government is off. A few parties may have been cancelled, group meetings at Las Vegas postponed, stuff like that but really no one out in the public noticed. As for who noticed it, lots of people, including the government employees who had to keep working in spite of not getting paid. And then there were the people who depend on government services for their own businesses. In the Rockies, since the Department of the Interior wasn't clearing snow on highways in the parks, local businesses were severely impacted for months following. There are more contractors than federal employees now, when the gov't shuts down, they don't work, they don't get paid. You have no idea how much of an impact a true government shutdown causes, because a lot of effort goes into minimizing it. Why minimize it. If they aren't essential services then the government that is bankrupt shouldn't be doing them in the first place. And any government spending your great grandchildren's money is bankrupt just held up by lies.
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Mar 28, 2015 0:56:46 GMT -5
Post by Russell Letson on Mar 28, 2015 0:56:46 GMT -5
I'm still trying to process "the decency or goodwill of my friend Rush." The guy who slut-shamed a law student for testifying in favor of having birth control covered by health insurance. Maybe Nordlinger is right in his assertion that neither Adams nor the rich people in the concert hall have ever "listened to Rush’s show or read an article by him," but I have, and he's a braying bully playing to an angry, resentful, credulous audience. He may be intermittently funny, but it's usually the kind of humor that results in an invitation to step out into the parking lot for some attitude correction.
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Mar 28, 2015 4:50:39 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 28, 2015 4:50:39 GMT -5
Dar has summed up Cruz's chances thus: Nobody will vote for a voice like that knowing that they'll have to hear it for four years at least. And his looks? ....bless his heart. So, Dar's ridiculing him too? no.
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Mar 28, 2015 4:52:44 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 28, 2015 4:52:44 GMT -5
As for who noticed it, lots of people, including the government employees who had to keep working in spite of not getting paid. Who didn't get paid?
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