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Mar 27, 2015 18:55:39 GMT -5
Post by billhammond on Mar 27, 2015 18:55:39 GMT -5
All of whom I find very FUNNY guys. How come, I wonder, doesn't Fox, with all its ratings power, put on some FUNNY shows that satirize the left? Fox is an entire network that satarizes the left. And some of those guys are hilarious. Of course one would have to surrender the belief that the left is inherently right in all things to be able to get the running joke that they've become, but still there's some really funny stuff out there. Start with Dennis Miller. Does Miller have his own show?
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Mar 27, 2015 19:06:25 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 19:06:25 GMT -5
Fox is an entire network that satarizes the left. And some of those guys are hilarious. Of course one would have to surrender the belief that the left is inherently right in all things to be able to get the running joke that they've become, but still there's some really funny stuff out there. Start with Dennis Miller. Does Miller have his own show? Not that I know of. He's on O'Rielly. So is Waters. And Gutfeld, but he's also on the 5and he's got his own weekend show. Funny guys.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:14:46 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:14:46 GMT -5
Not if he believed in his principles. This is the major problem in communicating or discussing this. You don't understand his principles. You don't even know what his principles are well enough to articulate them, much less define them for him. You're not paying attention. I don't think he has any principles.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:24:22 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:24:22 GMT -5
:: nods :: See what coming? The political optics. The obvious. This is the guy who led the charge to shut down the government over Obamacare. This is the guy who cost the country $26 billion with his antics. He was ready to set the world on fire as he tried to bend the Senate, both Republicans and Democrats, and the entire government to his will over Obamacare. And now he just signs up for Obamacare because it's the law? Hah. And no. Not if he believed in his principles. If repealing or defunding Obamacare was so important before when WE were footing the bill, he should be willing to make sacrifices himself. If his only choice is Obamacare or no insurance plus a $50? fine, he should go without insurance. I'm not trying to ridicule him, I just think he's a hypocrite. And if he were a hypocrite of the milder variety, if he had opposed Obamacare through appropriate senatorial procedures, I don't think any of this would be an issue. How's that $26 billion bullshit work? The shutdown lasted what, 3 weeks? So in round numbers that's something like $6.5 billion a week? In an economy that runs about $270 billion a week? What's that, a little better than 2 percent? Was that just the salaries of the feds that were furloughed? The one's who got all that back pay once the shutdown was over? My wife is critical so she had to work the shutdown. Most of our friends got a 3 week vacation to refinish thier basements or some such. You're going to have to get better propaganda sources. Preferably ones that can add. The figure was $24 billion (not $26) and it came from S&P as their estimate of lost GDP growth due to the shutdown.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:29:22 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:29:22 GMT -5
All of whom I find very FUNNY guys. How come, I wonder, doesn't Fox, with all its ratings power, put on some FUNNY shows that satirize the left? Fox is an entire network that satarizes the left. And some of those guys are hilarious. Of course one would have to surrender the belief that the left is inherently right in all things to be able to get the running joke that they've become, but still there's some really funny stuff out there. Start with Dennis Miller. That's not the way I would have phrased it, but yeah, FOX offers 24 hours of ridicule every day. Comedy Central has, what, 60 minutes? I don't know how John got fixated on Comedy Central as the ridicule capitol of the world.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:29:32 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 19:29:32 GMT -5
How's that $26 billion bullshit work? The shutdown lasted what, 3 weeks? So in round numbers that's something like $6.5 billion a week? In an economy that runs about $270 billion a week? What's that, a little better than 2 percent? Was that just the salaries of the feds that were furloughed? The one's who got all that back pay once the shutdown was over? My wife is critical so she had to work the shutdown. Most of our friends got a 3 week vacation to refinish thier basements or some such. You're going to have to get better propaganda sources. Preferably ones that can add. The figure was $24 billion (not $26) and it came from S&P as their estimate of lost GDP growth due to the shutdown. So there's no real factual basis for it. Got it.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:32:57 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 27, 2015 19:32:57 GMT -5
All of whom I find very FUNNY guys. How come, I wonder, doesn't Fox, with all its ratings power, put on some FUNNY shows that satirize the left? In all honesty, and not meant to be abrasive in the least -- you simply don't think they are funny when they make fun of your values. As such, you actually dismiss them as comedy. You said it several times about Limbaugh -- that you see absolutely no parallel between Limbaugh and Stewart. But they are almost direct mirrors of each other. It's not that the right doesn't satirize the left. It's just that, since you feel more attacked than entertained, you don't accept it as satire. To be honest, Glenn Beck and the guys he has on regularly with him are a real stitch. You wouldn't think so. I do think Stewart is funny. But I also feel very attacked.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:33:10 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:33:10 GMT -5
Fox is an entire network that satarizes the left. And some of those guys are hilarious. Of course one would have to surrender the belief that the left is inherently right in all things to be able to get the running joke that they've become, but still there's some really funny stuff out there. Start with Dennis Miller. Does Miller have his own show? I thought he did a while back, but I guess I was wrong. From Infoplease: Dennis Miller became a household name thanks to his years on TV's Saturday Night Live (1985-91). Miller was a writer and the host of the "Weekend Update" news segment, where he polished his comedy/commentary schtick of satiric punch lines and obscure cultural references. After a short-lived TV series in 1992 and small roles in feature films, Miller had great success on cable television (HBO) with the Emmy Award-winning Dennis Miller Live (1994-2002), a comedy-talk show that included "rants" about social and political issues, each ending with the line "Of course, that's just my opinion. I could be wrong." In 2000 he began as a commentator for NFL Monday Night Football, but left after two seasons, just a few months after his HBO series was cancelled. Miller kept his name in the news, however, as a Democrat-basher and supporter of President George W. Bush on the issue of U.S. military action in Afghanistan and Iraq. Miller was immediately embraced by political conservatives and ended up with a gig on the Fox News talk show Hannity & Colmes, followed by his own short-lived show on cable television (2004-05). A frequent guest on the Fox News network, Miller began hosting his own syndicated radio show in early 2007.
Extra credit: Miller's rants have also been published in book form, including The Rants (1996) and Ranting Again (1998).
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Mar 27, 2015 19:33:29 GMT -5
Post by brucemacneill on Mar 27, 2015 19:33:29 GMT -5
Face it, parts of the government shut down for a couple of weeks and no one noticed. It was a non-event, zilch, nada. they all got paid for the time off. Essential services, those things the government is supposed to do, all got done. Many of us think it's really nice when the government is off. A few parties may have been cancelled, group meetings at Las Vegas postponed, stuff like that but really no one out in the public noticed.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:34:58 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:34:58 GMT -5
The figure was $24 billion (not $26) and it came from S&P as their estimate of lost GDP growth due to the shutdown. So there's no real factual basis for it. Got it. Right. It's like climate change.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:35:45 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:35:45 GMT -5
Face it, parts of the government shut down for a couple of weeks and no one noticed. It was a non-event, zilch, nada. they all got paid for the time off. Essential services, those things the government is supposed to do, all got done. Many of us think it's really nice when the government is off. A few parties may have been cancelled, group meetings at Las Vegas postponed, stuff like that but really no one out in the public noticed. I watched FOX during the shutdown too.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:38:38 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 19:38:38 GMT -5
So there's no real factual basis for it. Got it. Right. It's like climate change. Exactly.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:40:08 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:40:08 GMT -5
That's what I said.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:42:43 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:42:43 GMT -5
So do you guys actually like Ted Cruz, or are you just upholding your responsibilities as conservatives? If the answer is yes, would you vote for him?
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Mar 27, 2015 19:43:47 GMT -5
Post by Doug on Mar 27, 2015 19:43:47 GMT -5
If the government doesn't to stuff (the parts not essential) for 3 weeks. It cost x dollars to do that stuff. Government saves x dollars. Should work that way but the employees that didn't do stuff got an extra free paid vacation so in truth. Government saves x dollars minus the salaries. I'm guessing the x dollars was 90% or more salaries so that cuts the debt that you are sticking on your kids and grandkids by 10% or so of x dollars. I don't see why the employees got paid for their free vacation.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:44:10 GMT -5
Post by millring on Mar 27, 2015 19:44:10 GMT -5
So do you guys actually like Ted Cruz, or are you just upholding your responsibilities as conservatives? If the answer is yes, would you vote for him? Can you really not ask a question without a bite out of our asses implied in it?
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Mar 27, 2015 19:51:04 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:51:04 GMT -5
If the government doesn't to stuff (the parts not essential) for 3 weeks. It cost x dollars to do that stuff. Government saves x dollars. Should work that way but the employees that didn't do stuff got an extra free paid vacation so in truth. Government saves x dollars minus the salaries. I'm guessing the x dollars was 90% or more salaries so that cuts the debt that you are sticking on your kids and grandkids by 10% or so of x dollars. I don't see why the employees got paid for their free vacation. The effects were pretty far reaching. As a major part of our economy, a slowdown in the government hurts the economy just like a slowdown in the commercial or investment sectors. If you're wondering what else could possibly have been affected: www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/reports/impacts-and-costs-of-october-2013-federal-government-shutdown-report.pdf
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Mar 27, 2015 19:52:26 GMT -5
Post by Fingerplucked on Mar 27, 2015 19:52:26 GMT -5
So do you guys actually like Ted Cruz, or are you just upholding your responsibilities as conservatives? If the answer is yes, would you vote for him? Can you really not ask a question without a bite out of our asses implied in it? Uh, . . . Do you guys love Ted Cruz like I love Elizabeth Warren? Edit: If your answer is no, you're going to have to explain that. (Sorry, I thought the first question was easier.)
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Mar 27, 2015 19:56:29 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 19:56:29 GMT -5
So do you guys actually like Ted Cruz, or are you just upholding your responsibilities as conservatives? If the answer is yes, would you vote for him? I think he's great. One of a couple guys that seem to understand that you can't win by letting liberals frame the debate. I think the fact that he generates so much brainless vitriol from democrats so early is a good thing. They're obviously scared and are working hard to defame him. He's not my favorite but I'd vote for him over any of the leftist morons.
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Mar 27, 2015 19:58:28 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Mar 27, 2015 19:58:28 GMT -5
If the government doesn't to stuff (the parts not essential) for 3 weeks. It cost x dollars to do that stuff. Government saves x dollars. Should work that way but the employees that didn't do stuff got an extra free paid vacation so in truth. Government saves x dollars minus the salaries. I'm guessing the x dollars was 90% or more salaries so that cuts the debt that you are sticking on your kids and grandkids by 10% or so of x dollars. I don't see why the employees got paid for their free vacation. The effects were pretty far reaching. As a major part of our economy, a slowdown in the government hurts the economy just like a slowdown in the commercial or investment sectors. If you're wondering what else could possibly have been affected: www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/reports/impacts-and-costs-of-october-2013-federal-government-shutdown-report.pdfObama says it was devastating. That's rich.
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