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Post by aquaduct on Apr 28, 2015 19:47:42 GMT -5
I am a bit puzzled by this thread. Are you saying the Pope is somehow wrong to have an opinion about man's stewardship of the earth or is this just anti-Catholic bias in general? Neither. It's the death throes of right wing zealots who have staked out there last stand on a low lying island that is being swamped by the rising tide of history. Mike Again, that's just funny right there.
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Post by drlj on Apr 28, 2015 19:48:27 GMT -5
That was damned good, Mike.
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Post by Doug on Apr 28, 2015 19:52:47 GMT -5
We had World Book. I'm guessing it's because Encyclical Britannica was more expensive. World Book had better pictures, though. We had World Book because my grandmother sold them door to door to her 3 grade students, on the get the "A" volume for free and the rest on one volume at a time plan. She sold them every summer to supplement here teachers income and so she could afford to give each of 4 children's families the whole set. By the time she died in '57 my cousins and had all but the last few volumes which got finished out by our parents.
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Post by RickW on Apr 28, 2015 20:07:16 GMT -5
Doug, still not sure how you came up with man bring more powerful than God out of that. I'm pretty sure the pope would say we messed up a lot of things. The bible says we messed up a lot of things. The bible says God will on occasion come down and roast a few sorry asses for screwing up, (see sodom and Gomorrah,) or be quite forgiving. But he certainly seems to let us make piggy piles. If you believe in him, that is.
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Post by drlj on Apr 28, 2015 20:09:15 GMT -5
We had World Book and I loved them. We used to get yearly supplements to keep the set current. I learned to spell encyclopedia from Jiminy Cricket and I still sing it in my head when I spell it.
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Post by millring on Apr 28, 2015 20:09:51 GMT -5
We had World Book and I loved them. We used to get yearly supplements to keep the set current. I learned to spell encyclopedia from Jiminy Cricket and I still sing it in my head when I spell it. I liked the transparencies.
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Post by drlj on Apr 28, 2015 20:15:29 GMT -5
Doug, still not sure how you came up with man bring more powerful than God out of that. I'm pretty sure the pope would say we messed up a lot of things. The bible says we messed up a lot of things. The bible says God will on occasion come down and roast a few sorry asses for screwing up, (see sodom and Gomorrah,) or be quite forgiving. But he certainly seems to let us make piggy piles. If you believe in him, that is. The Old Testament God knew how to kick ass. He would blast you into the next dimension just for the hell of it. The New Testament God is a whole lot nicer and more understanding. The nuns who taught me seemed to favor the first one and tried to be as much like him as a human could. They, too, would blast you into the next dimension just for the hell of it.
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Post by patrick on Apr 28, 2015 20:22:05 GMT -5
Anyone who believes in an all powerful deity* (including Wham-O) and believes that man can mess up the way that deity wants his/hers/its creation to work is expressing contradictory views. There's no contradiction. You've made an unsupported assumption about how God wants creation to work. Man has screwed up lots about creation. Air pollution, water pollution, we've driven species to extinction. If God wants creation to work according to laws he set in motion, and climate change is explained by the operation of those laws, then there is no contradiction. (For the sake of argument, I've assumed that God exists, when, as an atheist, I don't have any reason to believe that is true. )
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Post by millring on Apr 28, 2015 20:24:01 GMT -5
Anyone who believes in an all powerful deity* (including Wham-O) and believes that man can mess up the way that deity wants his/hers/its creation to work is expressing contradictory views. There's no contradiction. You've made an unsupported assumption about how God wants creation to work. Man has screwed up lots about creation. Air pollution, water pollution, we've driven species to extinction. If God wants creation to work according to laws he set in motion, and climate change is explained by the operation of those laws, then there is no contradiction. (For the sake of argument, I've assumed that God exists, when, as an atheist, I don't have any reason to believe that is true. ) So, all it takes to turn you into a theist is the challenge of arguing with Doug? Some atheist you are.
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Post by patrick on Apr 28, 2015 20:31:53 GMT -5
There's no contradiction. You've made an unsupported assumption about how God wants creation to work. Man has screwed up lots about creation. Air pollution, water pollution, we've driven species to extinction. If God wants creation to work according to laws he set in motion, and climate change is explained by the operation of those laws, then there is no contradiction. (For the sake of argument, I've assumed that God exists, when, as an atheist, I don't have any reason to believe that is true. ) So, all it takes to turn you into a theist is the challenge of arguing with Doug? Some atheist you are. Pretty rich coming from a potterolotrist!
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Post by epaul on Apr 28, 2015 20:32:43 GMT -5
This thread is causing many of us to reflect on religion. Right now, David is thinking, "Jesus Christ!"
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Post by drlj on Apr 28, 2015 20:33:33 GMT -5
There's no contradiction. You've made an unsupported assumption about how God wants creation to work. Man has screwed up lots about creation. Air pollution, water pollution, we've driven species to extinction. If God wants creation to work according to laws he set in motion, and climate change is explained by the operation of those laws, then there is no contradiction. (For the sake of argument, I've assumed that God exists, when, as an atheist, I don't have any reason to believe that is true. ) So, all it takes to turn you into a theist is the challenge of arguing with Doug? Some atheist you are. Arguing with Doug is not for the faint of heart. If I can find my old World Book, I will look up God and just accept whatever it says. Having a Pope named Frank is sort of cool, though.
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Post by Russell Letson on Apr 28, 2015 20:46:41 GMT -5
This thread is causing many of us to reflect on religion. Right now, David is thinking, "Jesus Christ!". In my case, we're going to have to settle for "Holy shit!"
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Apr 28, 2015 20:55:02 GMT -5
Pete Carroll is history's greatest evangelist. At the end of the last Superbowl he caused millions to simultaneously scream "Jesus Christ!"
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Post by dradtke on Apr 28, 2015 21:03:29 GMT -5
(For the sake of argument, I've assumed that God exists, when, as an atheist, I don't have any reason to believe that is true. ) If I listened long enough to you, I'd find a way to believe that it's all true.
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Post by millring on Apr 28, 2015 21:06:14 GMT -5
This thread is causing many of us to reflect on religion. Right now, David is thinking, "Jesus Christ!" . Cool. Descartes sez, "I think, therefore I am". So that means David is Jesus Christ. Theology is SO fun.
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Post by fauxmaha on Apr 28, 2015 21:27:25 GMT -5
Theocracy is even more funner.
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Post by drlj on Apr 28, 2015 21:28:22 GMT -5
I used to be an altar boy. I did not like being an altar boy but when you went to a Catholic school and you were male, you were drafted into the service and heading for Canada didn't get you anywhere. I was tall, so I got picked to lead a procession during Advent. At least I think it was Advent. Anyway, I was lead man with the bishop and the really mean parish priest right behind me as I led the parade through the church with the plan being to head out the back door, down the steps, around the building, and into the side door heading back into the church. Followed by the priest, bishop and the entire school population of maybe 200 young martyrs with me in the lead proudly carrying the big metal crucifix on a heavy metal pole. We headed down the aisle, me in my moment of glory proudly hoisting the crucifix. I forgot about the choir loft. BAM! I walked the expensive crucifix into the front of the loft and broke Jesus right off the cross. He clattered to the floor and slid under a pew. I scramble over to get Jesus and then did not know what to do with him. I kept going, holding Jesus in one hand and the now empty cross in the other. I could feel the eyes of the mean priest boring into the back of my head and I knew my ass was mowed grass as soon as the mass was over. I shot into the changing room as soon as it was over, pulled off the surplice and cassock and hit the door like a kid on fire, leaving broken Jesus on the table. I never heard anything about it from the mean priest but the next day the nun in charge told me my services were not going to ever be needed again. She fired me!! As far as I know, I am the only altar boy who was drummed out of the corps for breaking Jesus.
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Post by billhammond on Apr 28, 2015 21:33:06 GMT -5
OK, LJ -- YOU GOTTA write that story into a SONG!
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Post by millring on Apr 28, 2015 21:33:38 GMT -5
He would have forgiven you. Some of his employees may not have.
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