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Post by Phil N. Theblank on Jan 10, 2019 12:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 10, 2019 12:48:10 GMT -5
All this thread needs is a link to a CNN article saying economists have projected that the shutdown has already cost the US economy $19.4 trillion.
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Post by epaul on Jan 10, 2019 14:19:41 GMT -5
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Post by lar on Jan 10, 2019 15:07:38 GMT -5
Where does stuff like that come from? I'm beginning to think that it's just too much to try to keep up with all of the people who invent that kind of talk. It doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe I would find it offensive if I knew what it meant. If it's not too much bother I'd rather be insulted in language I can understand.
That phrase sounds like something Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or AOC as the media are starting to refer to her, might offer up in conversation right before she starts objecting to being fact-checked.
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Post by AlanC on Jan 10, 2019 15:29:34 GMT -5
Where does stuff like that come from? I'm beginning to think that it's just too much to try to keep up with all of the people who invent that kind of talk. It doesn't mean anything to me. Maybe I would find it offensive if I knew what it meant. If it's not too much bother I'd rather be insulted in language I can understand. That phrase sounds like something Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or AOC as the media are starting to refer to her, might offer up in conversation right before she starts objecting to being fact-checked. I thought Jeff's tongue-in-cheek spoof of leftist psycho-babble was most excellent.
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Post by AlanC on Jan 10, 2019 15:32:50 GMT -5
On a serious note, my daughter reports that flight crews are indeed worried about their security. I just wish there were some adults in charge somewhere.
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Post by lar on Jan 10, 2019 16:16:04 GMT -5
It bothers me that we, and I include myself, have elected and re-elected such an ignorant, self-serving bunch to run our country.
A couple of weeks ago I read an article about why "regular" people don't run for office. The answer is that they can't afford to take time off from their jobs to campaign. And, of course, candidates with no prior experience or name identification can't count on millions of dollars from PACs to pay the campaign bills. Campaign finance laws don't allow candidates to use campaign funds to pay for their living expenses while they are running for office.
The deck is stacked against us by the very people we should be running out of town on a rail. What a sorry, sorry state of affairs.
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Post by AlanC on Jan 10, 2019 16:36:40 GMT -5
It bothers me that we, and I include myself, have elected and re-elected such an ignorant, self-serving bunch to run our country. A couple of weeks ago I read an article about why "regular" people don't run for office. The answer is that they can't afford to take time off from their jobs to campaign. And, of course, candidates with no prior experience or name identification can't count on millions of dollars from PACs to pay the campaign bills. Campaign finance laws don't allow candidates to use campaign funds to pay for their living expenses while they are running for office. The deck is stacked against us by the very people we should be running out of town on a rail. What a sorry, sorry state of affairs. But it could be worse. I heard there was a recently elected politician in Mexico that didn't even survive his first day. He was gunned down before he even made it to the office. If we weren't totally crazy we would do what Paul suggests and take all the blood and treasure wasted in the Middle East and help stabilize Mexico and Central America while we still can. That is, if we can. Probably too late for all of us. I just wonder what it will be like when my granddaughters are my age. Maybe the robot overlords will not deal too harshly with the surviving meat units.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 10, 2019 16:52:25 GMT -5
But it could be worse. I heard there was a recently elected politician in Mexico that didn't even survive his first day. He was gunned down before he even made it to the office. If we weren't totally crazy we would do what Paul suggests and take all the blood and treasure wasted in the Middle East and help stabilize Mexico and Central America while we still can. I've read several commentators that note that assassination has historically been a very effective method of managing government. Just sayin'.
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Post by amanajoe on Jan 10, 2019 17:46:36 GMT -5
But it could be worse. I heard there was a recently elected politician in Mexico that didn't even survive his first day. He was gunned down before he even made it to the office. If we weren't totally crazy we would do what Paul suggests and take all the blood and treasure wasted in the Middle East and help stabilize Mexico and Central America while we still can. I've read several commentators that note that assassination has historically been a very effective method of managing government. Just sayin'. There was a line in a movie that I always quote, "Assassination, it is the highest form of public service".
How's about this, charge all the current "undocumented resident aliens" (since we can't use the term illegal) an amnesty fee! If we are to believe the numbers as being 11 million here, then about $3000 gets us $33bil to fund the wall AND Trump gets to say that the Mexicans paid for it. Done deal.
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Post by david on Jan 10, 2019 22:37:06 GMT -5
What happened to Mexico paying for Trump's wall?
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 10, 2019 22:55:03 GMT -5
Well Lindsey is throwing in the towel. Looks like an emergency powers move and a prolonged court battle coming up after which the Army Corps of Engineers may get to work on their tans.
I wonder of Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity promised him a menage au trois if he doesn't fold.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 11, 2019 7:01:11 GMT -5
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Post by majorminor on Jan 11, 2019 9:27:07 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/shutdown-could-cost-us-economy-dollar13-billion-a-month/ar-BBS4ITN?li=BBnb7KzShutdown could cost U.S. economy $13 billion a month Daniel B. Kline 23 mins ago F.B.I. seal at the bureau's headquarters March 9, 2007, in Washington, DC.Shutdown threatens national security, FBI agents warn Jayme ClossCouple describes how missing teen Closs ended up at their door The partial shutdown of the United States government affects far more than the 800,000 federal workers who are either furloughed or working without pay. The impact of the shutdown is radiating throughout the economy, and some areas of government that remain open will soon run out of funds. There's no clear end in sight for the shutdown, with President Donald Trump insisting he won't sign any spending bill that does not include funding for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. The Democrat-controlled House, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, has been equally resolute, saying it won't pass funding bills that include money for a border wall. For the American people, the cost of this impasse is enormous -- and growing by the day. The ongoing shutdown could cost as much as $13 billion a month, or $430 million a day, according to new analysis by personal finance website The Ascent. That figure includes unpaid wages for government workers and federal income assistance programs that may soon run dry. "I was definitely surprised by how large the figure was," said The Ascent research analyst Kamran Rosen in a statement. "Our estimates are looking at just two sources of economic activity, not even including lots of smaller agencies and offices that are fully or partially shut down." a large white building: The impact of the partial government shutdown will grow if it continues. © Getty Images The impact of the partial government shutdown will grow if it continues. Here comes the pain? If you're not a federal worker, the impact of the shutdown may not be obvious to you. That will change if the shutdown continues. The next major hit will come in February when the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) runs out of money. SNAP, which falls under the Department of Agriculture, provides food assistance for low- and no-income Americans (mostly families with children). If it can't meet its obligations in February, many of the 40 million people it serves will go hungry. "For SNAP benefits alone we're looking at a loss of over $5 billion a month nationwide," Rosen said. In addition to the nation's poor, small-business owners are likely to be hit hard by a prolonged shutdown. If Americans who count on federal aid don't receive it, consumption will decrease nationwide. The housing market could also feel the pain: Unpaid federal workers may miss mortgage payments, and the processing of new loans through the Federal Housing Administration and Department of Veterans Affairs will likely slow down. "I think while many Americans understand on a conceptual basis the government shutdown will affect them, the size of the economic impact has gone largely undiscussed," Rosen said. What can you do? Whether you are directly or indirectly affected by the shutdown, there's very little you can do. If you're experiencing a loss in income because of the shutdown, you should certainly communicate with anyone you have a financial relationship with. Mortgage and credit card companies prefer proactive customers. You can generally make a better deal or stave off negative consequences if you communicate instead of ignoring the problem. If you are unaffected by the shutdown, it's important to be sympathetic toward those that are. Having $13 billion taken out of the economy in this fashion will tax non-profits trying to help, and many were struggling before this latest blow. Consider how you might help your neighbors. That could mean shopping in an area that normally caters to now-furloughed workers or donating to area charities. It could be as simple as having someone over for dinner to show your support during what will be a tough time for far more Americans than the 800,000 federal workers directly impacted. It's also important -- even if it feels futile -- to let your representatives in Congress know how you feel and how you're being affected. You can find the contact information of the lawmakers who represent you on websites such as NationalPriorities.org. While one person may not change anything, the voices of hundreds of thousands of voters will be heard.
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2019 9:31:23 GMT -5
www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/shutdown-could-cost-us-economy-dollar13-billion-a-month/ar-BBS4ITN?li=BBnb7KzShutdown could cost U.S. economy $13 billion a month Daniel B. Kline 23 mins ago F.B.I. seal at the bureau's headquarters March 9, 2007, in Washington, DC.Shutdown threatens national security, FBI agents warn Jayme ClossCouple describes how missing teen Closs ended up at their door The partial shutdown of the United States government affects far more than the 800,000 federal workers who are either furloughed or working without pay. The impact of the shutdown is radiating throughout the economy, and some areas of government that remain open will soon run out of funds. There's no clear end in sight for the shutdown, with President Donald Trump insisting he won't sign any spending bill that does not include funding for a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. The Democrat-controlled House, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, has been equally resolute, saying it won't pass funding bills that include money for a border wall. For the American people, the cost of this impasse is enormous -- and growing by the day. The ongoing shutdown could cost as much as $13 billion a month, or $430 million a day, according to new analysis by personal finance website The Ascent. That figure includes unpaid wages for government workers and federal income assistance programs that may soon run dry. "I was definitely surprised by how large the figure was," said The Ascent research analyst Kamran Rosen in a statement. "Our estimates are looking at just two sources of economic activity, not even including lots of smaller agencies and offices that are fully or partially shut down." a large white building: The impact of the partial government shutdown will grow if it continues. © Getty Images The impact of the partial government shutdown will grow if it continues. Here comes the pain? If you're not a federal worker, the impact of the shutdown may not be obvious to you. That will change if the shutdown continues. The next major hit will come in February when the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) runs out of money. SNAP, which falls under the Department of Agriculture, provides food assistance for low- and no-income Americans (mostly families with children). If it can't meet its obligations in February, many of the 40 million people it serves will go hungry. "For SNAP benefits alone we're looking at a loss of over $5 billion a month nationwide," Rosen said. In addition to the nation's poor, small-business owners are likely to be hit hard by a prolonged shutdown. If Americans who count on federal aid don't receive it, consumption will decrease nationwide. The housing market could also feel the pain: Unpaid federal workers may miss mortgage payments, and the processing of new loans through the Federal Housing Administration and Department of Veterans Affairs will likely slow down. "I think while many Americans understand on a conceptual basis the government shutdown will affect them, the size of the economic impact has gone largely undiscussed," Rosen said. What can you do? Whether you are directly or indirectly affected by the shutdown, there's very little you can do. If you're experiencing a loss in income because of the shutdown, you should certainly communicate with anyone you have a financial relationship with. Mortgage and credit card companies prefer proactive customers. You can generally make a better deal or stave off negative consequences if you communicate instead of ignoring the problem. If you are unaffected by the shutdown, it's important to be sympathetic toward those that are. Having $13 billion taken out of the economy in this fashion will tax non-profits trying to help, and many were struggling before this latest blow. Consider how you might help your neighbors. That could mean shopping in an area that normally caters to now-furloughed workers or donating to area charities. It could be as simple as having someone over for dinner to show your support during what will be a tough time for far more Americans than the 800,000 federal workers directly impacted. It's also important -- even if it feels futile -- to let your representatives in Congress know how you feel and how you're being affected. You can find the contact information of the lawmakers who represent you on websites such as NationalPriorities.org. While one person may not change anything, the voices of hundreds of thousands of voters will be heard. Boy, did I nail that. All this thread needs is a link to a CNN article saying economists have projected that the shutdown has already cost the US economy $19.4 trillion.
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Post by TKennedy on Jan 11, 2019 10:01:03 GMT -5
Thoughts and prayers for all involved - - wait, that’s for mass shootings.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jan 11, 2019 10:06:13 GMT -5
Thoughts and prayers for all involved - - wait, that’s for mass shootings. 220, 221. Whatever it takes.
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Post by millring on Jan 11, 2019 10:36:10 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Jan 11, 2019 10:58:26 GMT -5
As of tomorrow morning, this one's a new record.
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Post by lar on Jan 11, 2019 12:32:47 GMT -5
Yesterday Jim Acosta from CNN and Don, Jr. got into a pissing match over Trump's appearance in Texas. Acosta observed that he was standing in front of the metal slat wall Trump visited and that all was peaceful and tranquil. Acosta made the point that there did not seem to be a national emergency where he was. Don, Jr. tweeted that all was peaceful because there was a wall there.
The Twitter war continued on from that point.
My thought is that the exchange between Acosta and Don, Jr. sums up this whole debacle nicely. Neither of them have any facts to support their respective positions. There is no reason to believe that the tranquility that Acosta referred to means there isn't a national crisis. And Don, Jr. can't point to a few seconds of tranquil airtime as proof that the wall is working. And the government shutdown continues.
There seem to be plenty of facts available but the two sides can't even agree on what the facts mean. Buncha goobers!
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