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Post by epaul on Nov 8, 2020 13:56:53 GMT -5
(and yes, 30% of the pickup drivers in Minnesota are Democrats)
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Post by epaul on Nov 8, 2020 14:04:51 GMT -5
(and the shift is more pronounced with younger people than older. Babyboomers will not change their stripes, they are part of the body skeleton.)
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Post by billhammond on Nov 8, 2020 14:34:04 GMT -5
And for the record, both parties have both Champaign drinkers. Wait, now you switched to Illinois?
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Post by epaul on Nov 8, 2020 15:06:11 GMT -5
I was hoping someone would pickup (get it) on my clever attempt to bring Marshal into the conversation by detailing the Chicago and downstate Illinois divergence into the discussion as political parallels to MN.
- um... you buying dat?
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2020 18:53:12 GMT -5
Anyone who knows the place--urbana is the lib-heavy side of the line, champaign is the development-oriented part of the cities' personality.
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2020 21:54:02 GMT -5
A thought from another place on the web: america is about to find out what it’s like to break up with an abusive boyfriend/husband.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 17:48:52 GMT -5
Anyone taking odds that Joe Biden will or won't serve out a full term? I'm guessing two years or less.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 9, 2020 17:54:10 GMT -5
Anyone taking odds that Joe Biden will or won't serve out a full term? I'm guessing two years or less. Geez, Bill, maybe we should start a pool!
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 9, 2020 17:55:49 GMT -5
Hard to say. From a big-statistics point of view, every year past 80 means Joe's chances of living another goes down pretty sharply. But we individuals don't live in a purely big-stat world, so if Joe chose his ancestors carefully and hasn't undermined his own health and manages to not step in front of a bus, his chances of getting through a full term aren't much worse than mine (at 75, with parents who made it to 85 and 90 and who always looks both ways before stepping off the curb).
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2020 17:58:35 GMT -5
Anyone taking odds that Joe Biden will or won't serve out a full term? I'm guessing two years or less. I think there's decent odds he won't even start a term.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 9, 2020 18:01:14 GMT -5
Anyone taking odds that Joe Biden will or won't serve out a full term? I'm guessing two years or less. I think there's decent odds he won't even start a term. Yeah, I think Harris has already started her plans to redecorate the Whitehouse. Pelosi has written a great obit for Joe.
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Post by david on Nov 9, 2020 18:09:42 GMT -5
Hard to say. From a big-statistics point of view, every year past 80 means Joe's chances of living another goes down pretty sharply. But we individuals don't live in a purely big-stat world, so if Joe chose his ancestors carefully and hasn't undermined his own health and manages to not step in front of a bus, his chances of getting through a full term aren't much worse than mine (at 75, with parents who made it to 85 and 90 and who always looks both ways before stepping off the curb). But Joe has the weight of the Presidency on his shoulders. All presidents, except for two that I suspect colored their hair, go gray or bald in office. Making life and death decisions and constantly being on stage, has to deteriorate health.
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 9, 2020 18:17:35 GMT -5
So now we're into the Scouring of the Shire.
A selection of today's headlines:
Trump fires Defense Secretary Mark Esper in a tweet
Trump administration removes head of federal climate program that oversees key reports
Trump agency tasked with transition process has yet to recognize Biden's victory
In Pennsylvania, Trump Voter Fury Foretells a Nation Still Divided
Arkansas police chief resigns after demanding ‘death’ for Democrats: ‘Leave no survivors’
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 9, 2020 18:19:43 GMT -5
... constantly being on stage, ... And now I'm trying to think of some old, bald/gray, rock stars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 18:20:14 GMT -5
Hard to say. From a big-statistics point of view, every year past 80 means Joe's chances of living another goes down pretty sharply. But we individuals don't live in a purely big-stat world, so if Joe chose his ancestors carefully and hasn't undermined his own health and manages to not step in front of a bus, his chances of getting through a full term aren't much worse than mine (at 75, with parents who made it to 85 and 90 and who always looks both ways before stepping off the curb). I ask because Joe has, on many occasions, demonstrated various degrees of cognitive deficiency. Combine that with Nancy Pelosi's touting the 25th amendment as a means to remove a/the president from office. Some say her suggestion was aimed at Trump and some say it was in preparations for the removal of a future disfunctional Joe. IMO, it was both. That can only be done with the consent and support of the vice president and considering their history prior to becoming running mates, I think there's little doubt that Kamala, with Nancy's support, would abandon any loyalty to Joe for the sake of parking her bottom in the oval office. Giving us an instant first woman POTUS.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 9, 2020 19:31:53 GMT -5
Drama in Georgia:
The New York Times
Senators David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler of Georgia on Monday called for the resignation of the state’s top elections official, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, as they accused his office of failing to oversee an honest and transparent election without evidence or citing specific concerns.
Their extraordinary joint statement on Monday came as a rift among Republicans in Georgia has intensified as Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s lead over President Trump has steadily grown, pushing the president’s supporters to lash out against Mr. Raffensperger, who is a Republican.
“We believe when there are failures, they need to be called out — even when it’s in your own party,” the senators said in their statement, which did not offer any specific allegations or explain how they believed Mr. Raffensperger had fallen short.
“Honest elections are paramount to the foundation of our democracy,” they said. “The Secretary of State has failed to deliver honest and transparent elections. He has failed the people of Georgia, and he should step down immediately.”
Mr. Raffensperger responded quickly in a statement of his own. “Let me start by saying that is not going to happen,” he said.
“I know emotions are running high,” he added. “Politics are involved in everything right now. If I was Senator Perdue, I’d be irritated I was in a runoff. And both senators and I are all unhappy with the potential outcome for our president.”
Mr. Raffensperger said that the process of reporting results had been orderly and followed the law.
The results in Georgia have drawn widespread notice and alarmed Republicans, as Mr. Biden is outperforming Mr. Trump by more than 10,000 votes in a state Mr. Trump won in 2016. Both senators have been forced into runoff races against Democrats, contests that could determine control of the Senate.
Mr. Trump has continued to falsely insist the election was being stolen from him. The move by the senators, who have both been closely aligned with the president, also underscores the infighting taking place among Republicans even as the party braces for a bitter showdown during the January runoffs.
Some conservatives fear that impugning the electoral process will depress the vote among Republican voters, who may not turn out if they do not trust the legitimacy of the electoral process.
“Trump is gonna cost the GOP the Senate,” Erick Erickson, a Georgia-based conservative commentator, wrote on Twitter. “His supporters are internalizing that the election in Georgia was stolen so why bother even trying.”
In a briefing before the statement was issued on Monday, Gabriel Sterling, the voting system implementation manager for Mr. Raffensperger’s office, sought to debunk the various allegations that had circulated and said the election had run smoothly, despite long lines at times during early voting. He noted that the average wait time to vote on Election Day was two minutes — “that’s unheard of in this state, ever.”
“The facts are the facts, regardless of outcomes,” he said, adding, “In this state, this time, this election on Election Day was an amazing success.”
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Post by james on Nov 9, 2020 19:41:17 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2020 20:06:28 GMT -5
I think there's decent odds he won't even start a term. Yeah, I think Harris has already started her plans to redecorate the Whitehouse. Pelosi has written a great obit for Joe. No. The Electoral College vote is still some 5 weeks out. Alito has already stepped in to Pennsylvania. I heard that the guy who rammed the Covington kid's case up CNN's and the Washington Post's asses has joined the Trump team. Despite what the media and other bloviators are claiming, this is a long way from over.
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Post by david on Nov 9, 2020 21:22:37 GMT -5
Some people can admit that they have lost or that they are wrong. Some cannot face it. They are cowards. Trump never admits he is wrong. He cannot admit defeat even if it tears our nation apart. It is sad. Sadder still is the lack of Republicans that are willing to stand up to him. What a farce. I am switching parties.
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Post by james on Nov 9, 2020 21:27:07 GMT -5
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