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Post by david on Nov 9, 2020 21:37:06 GMT -5
Groundless lawsuits can be a cause for sanctions for the attorney. In my 35 years I have never done it. Hopefully that prospect alone will deter other attorneys for pursuing frivolous claims. But if that is inadequate motivation, the prospect of not being paid by the "client" will assist in the moral decision.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 9, 2020 21:54:31 GMT -5
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2020 21:59:14 GMT -5
Groundless lawsuits can be a cause for sanctions for the attorney. In my 35 years I have never done it. Hopefully that prospect alone will deter other attorneys for pursuing frivolous claims. But if that is inadequate motivation, the prospect of not being paid by the "client" will assist in the moral decision. You're assuming they are groundless based on nothing more than your personal bias and the opinions of journalists (who at a minimum are 4 steps removed from being directly involved in anything they bloviate about). The actual courts have that legitimate and actual moral authority. Let's see how it turns out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 0:01:04 GMT -5
The other day, Ezra Klein wrote - The same way Al Gore and Hillary Clinton recognized they lost?
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Post by james on Nov 10, 2020 0:25:16 GMT -5
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 10, 2020 5:15:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 5:26:09 GMT -5
Trump's a loser. It is sad that he'll be the last person to realize that fact.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 10, 2020 6:51:43 GMT -5
What I can't get is why all the theoretically smart people here are so upset by Trump's efforts (entirely legally valid) to vet the system that has been so radically altered this year to ensure it works. If the Biden victory is truly legitimate, all y'all have got nothing to fear, right? No existing time frames are being violated. It's really no big deal.
And you're all acting like your dick is on fire.
Seriously, none of those douche bag Trump supporters you continuously denigrate and make fun of are burning anything down. You're out of your mind if you think the way this has unfolded is going to bring anyone together. And the louder you scream, the more we're convinced Trump is right not to trust anything that comes out of you.
Just seems to be habit with you folks.
And truly, y'all ought to be embarrassed. I've got a bad feeling y'all have forgotten what that means. And that can't be good.
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Post by factorychef on Nov 10, 2020 7:59:04 GMT -5
Trumps not having any luck in the courts. And he won't. What a spoiled baby.
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Post by dradtke on Nov 10, 2020 7:59:28 GMT -5
Trump's a loser. It is sad that he'll be the last person to realize that fact. No, he won't be the last one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2020 8:38:23 GMT -5
Trump's a loser. It is sad that he'll be the last person to realize that fact. No, he won't be the last one. You have a point. I stand corrected.
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Post by james on Nov 10, 2020 9:27:24 GMT -5
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Post by kbcolorado on Nov 10, 2020 9:41:49 GMT -5
Fear? That is so off base as to suggest a deliberate misreading of what's going on here.
Anger that the President of the United States undermined our electoral process with baseless claims. Of course he has the legal right to file lawsuits, no one has claimed otherwise. Rudy The Freak and an army of lawyers with empty briefcases invite derision, not fear. After these cases come up empty, Trump will still go to his grave claiming the 2020 election was stolen from him.
Many Voters by and large approved his agenda but enough of them were so disgusted by his behavior that they couldn't bring themselves to vote for him.
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Post by billhammond on Nov 10, 2020 9:42:53 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much all of this Strib editorial:
President-elect Joe Biden has won the popular vote by more than 4 million ballots. He has more than enough electoral votes to secure victory and is likely to match President Donald Trump's 2016 total. There is no discernible path for Trump to alter that outcome. And yet, undoubtedly stung by the loss, Trump so far has refused to concede, saying he would continue his fight in the courts.
It is, of course, Trump's right to pursue his legal options, although his legal team has yet to produce any evidence of fraud or widespread irregularities. He can also seek recounts, though his options there are narrowing by the day. Trump initially said he would demand a recount in Wisconsin, but he trails Biden there by more than 20,000 votes. Recounts typically produce shifts that number in the hundreds, not the thousands — let alone tens of thousands.
What Trump cannot, must not, do is obstruct the transfer of power already underway. The machinery needed for such a transition is massive and intricate. Its success depends in large measure on the goodwill and cooperation of the outgoing and incoming administrations. It is one that every outgoing president has participated in willingly, mindful of the enormous responsibility they must pass on to their successor.
One of the most tangible results of Trump's refusal to concede is that his appointee, Emily Murphy, the administrator for the General Services Administration, is blocking vital authorization that would allow the Biden transition to proceed. That authorization is needed to release everything from funds for salaries to space in agencies, access to officials and government records, and more. A responsible leader would direct that authorization even as legal efforts continue.
There are barely 10 weeks between now and when a new administration will be expected to begin governing. Every day lost in the transition jeopardizes that ability, as well as the new administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic. There are other dangers as well.
While America's historic allies are welcoming Biden and preparing for a change in leadership, foreign adversaries are watching for signs of vulnerability. They saw a big one on Monday, when Trump petulantly fired Defense Secretary Mark Esper, who crossed Trump with his refusal to use the military to put down civil unrest.
The period between administrations is widely recognized as a particularly delicate juncture. There appears to be little that was so pressing that Trump needed to make a last-minute change in a position critical to national security.
Trump is bent on creating turmoil and making himself the center to the very end. If he has a legal case to make, let him make it. But he should produce his evidence quickly. This nation has to move on to the business of the peaceful transfer of power that is the hallmark of our democracy.
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Post by majorminor on Nov 10, 2020 9:55:06 GMT -5
Many Voters by and large approved his agenda but enough of them were so disgusted by his behavior that they couldn't bring themselves to vote for him. You totally get me man. I assume this current drama is Trump positioning himself for 2024
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Post by epaul on Nov 10, 2020 10:20:54 GMT -5
I smell Russians.
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Post by epaul on Nov 10, 2020 10:21:32 GMT -5
and their computers.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 10, 2020 10:25:18 GMT -5
Been there, done that, beat the rap. Handily.
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Post by epaul on Nov 10, 2020 10:43:00 GMT -5
The Russians don't need to be for either Trump or Biden, they just enjoy throwing tainted meat into the zoo.
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Post by theevan on Nov 10, 2020 11:19:00 GMT -5
From where I sit, it seems the "no discernable path" to victory for Trump is true.
But because there are so many questions surrounding the vote, a full vetting is not only in order, but can only benefit faith in the vote now and in the future. It will allay distrust and hopefully calm nerves.
Chill and let it play out.
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