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Post by aquaduct on Nov 7, 2016 15:20:07 GMT -5
Oh, wait--homeopathy works by dilution of the poisons, but Trumpism is full-strength narcissism, self-satisfaction, and irrationality, in a solution of lies, insults, and rabble-rousing fear-mongering. So he's really a full-blown disease rather than a watered-down symptom. I rest my metaphoric case. Fight douche bags with douche bags I always say.
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Post by phoenix on Nov 7, 2016 15:36:56 GMT -5
I realize that you Democrats(Communists, same thing) took a vow of poverty so poor people could be cared for but I didn't. I don't want what little f'ing wealth I have f'ing redistributed because I worked too f'ing hard to get it. That's why I'm not about to vote for Hillary, nothing to do with her anatomy. Clear??? Well, I tend to vote Democratic and I didn't take a vow of poverty. Anyone else who cares about their money should think carefully because fears that Trump could win have made the stock market fall precipitously. The correlation between Clinton's declining chances of winning and declines in the market are pretty striking. Oh yeah -- the stock market nearly tripled in value under that "communist" Obama. I guess he did a bad job at trying to destroy capitalism.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 7, 2016 15:58:19 GMT -5
I realize that you Democrats(Communists, same thing) took a vow of poverty so poor people could be cared for but I didn't. I don't want what little f'ing wealth I have f'ing redistributed because I worked too f'ing hard to get it. That's why I'm not about to vote for Hillary, nothing to do with her anatomy. Clear??? Well, I tend to vote Democratic and I didn't take a vow of poverty. Anyone else who cares about their money should think carefully because fears that Trump could win have made the stock market fall for 9 straight days. The correlation between Clinton's declining chances of winning and declines in the market are pretty striking. Oh yeah -- the stock market nearly tripled in value under that "communist" Obama. I guess he did a bad job at trying to destroy capitalism. Well of course that would correlate. The Wall Street friends of Hillary and Barry (the same ones who fucked the rest of us over in 2008) are the only folks that have made money under his tenure. The rest of us who have to work for a living have seen nothing but moribund GDP and job growth. Those folks clearly are delighted if their corrupt little gravy train keeps soaking the rest of us. Kind of telling that they'd be afraid of Trump. Another good reason to like him.
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Post by PaulKay on Nov 7, 2016 17:22:19 GMT -5
Well, I tend to vote Democratic and I didn't take a vow of poverty. Anyone else who cares about their money should think carefully because fears that Trump could win have made the stock market fall for 9 straight days. The correlation between Clinton's declining chances of winning and declines in the market are pretty striking. Oh yeah -- the stock market nearly tripled in value under that "communist" Obama. I guess he did a bad job at trying to destroy capitalism. Well of course that would correlate. The Wall Street friends of Hillary and Barry (the same ones who fucked the rest of us over in 2008) are the only folks that have made money under his tenure. The rest of us who have to work for a living have seen nothing but moribund GDP and job growth. Those folks clearly are delighted if their corrupt little gravy train keeps soaking the rest of us. Kind of telling that they'd be afraid of Trump. Another good reason to like him. It's going to be tough come wednesday morning to see HRC win and have a Fem Dem in the WH. Another 4-8 years of anger boiling up. You may want to find a way make peace with it for your own health.
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Post by Doug on Nov 7, 2016 17:36:46 GMT -5
I voted for Johnson but I hope Trump wins. Clinton more dead servicemen for political gain. Trump maybe more dead servicemen for political gain. Maybe is better than for sure, some ones kid comes home in a box. Voting for Clinton is voting for kids coming home in a box.
And asshole is better than a criminal.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 7, 2016 17:57:11 GMT -5
Well of course that would correlate. The Wall Street friends of Hillary and Barry (the same ones who fucked the rest of us over in 2008) are the only folks that have made money under his tenure. The rest of us who have to work for a living have seen nothing but moribund GDP and job growth. Those folks clearly are delighted if their corrupt little gravy train keeps soaking the rest of us. Kind of telling that they'd be afraid of Trump. Another good reason to like him. It's going to be tough come wednesday morning to see HRC win and have a Fem Dem in the WH. Another 4-8 years of anger boiling up. You may want to find a way make peace with it for your own health. I've made peace with it. You'll have to figure out a way to choke down selling your soul for an idiot.
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Post by fauxmaha on Nov 7, 2016 18:10:01 GMT -5
Just got my robo-call from Gary Johnson.
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Post by phoenix on Nov 7, 2016 18:38:44 GMT -5
Well, I tend to vote Democratic and I didn't take a vow of poverty. Anyone else who cares about their money should think carefully because fears that Trump could win have made the stock market fall for 9 straight days. The correlation between Clinton's declining chances of winning and declines in the market are pretty striking. Oh yeah -- the stock market nearly tripled in value under that "communist" Obama. I guess he did a bad job at trying to destroy capitalism. Well of course that would correlate. The Wall Street friends of Hillary and Barry (the same ones who fucked the rest of us over in 2008) are the only folks that have made money under his tenure. The rest of us who have to work for a living have seen nothing but moribund GDP and job growth. Over 50% of US adults own stocks - not just Clinton's and Obama's personal friends. Those stocks nearly tripled in value under Obama. I hear what you're saying about job growth and the fortunes of the other 50%. The recovery has been slow. But at least we've had job growth under Obama, in contrast to the Bush-Cheney years. The fact that Obama took office in the midst of the worst economic crash since the Great Depression merits some consideration. I'm not sure why anyone would think that Trump would be a good steward of the economy. He's filed for bankruptcy 6 times. He lost nearly *$1 billion* in '92. In spite of all his bragging about what a brilliant businessman he is, his increase in wealth over his career hasn't even kept up with the stock market. In other words, he'd be richer today if he'd invested all the money his dad gave him in index funds, never went into business, and did nothing all his life but play golf. He has also underperformed his peers in the real estate business. And have you seen what economic experts have said about what Trump's economic policy will do to the deficit? So if he isn't a great businessman, what exactly does he have going for him? I'm drawing a blank. fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/www.forbes.com/sites/forbesleadershipforum/2016/03/03/has-donald-trump-underperformed-in-the-real-estate-business/#1844c01c5506
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Post by dradtke on Nov 7, 2016 20:11:35 GMT -5
So, okay, a prediction. If I want to post a serious one, I suppose I better get it done before the election, huh?
Hillary will win big, more than 300 electoral votes easy, and the Democrats will take the Senate. The Republicans will lose seats in the House, but most likely still remain in the majority.
After she takes office, if the Senate Republicans still make noises about not approving any Supreme Court nominees, the Democrats will nuke the filibuster. Warren and Sanders will hold her feet to the fire to promote progressive bills, Baye and Manchin will rent themselves out to the Republicans to hold them back, and it will depend on how large the Democratic majority is.
The “moderate” (heh) Republicans in swing districts will be the ones to lose in the election, making the Crazy Caucus – the teabaggers who think Paul Ryan is a liberal - even stronger in the House. The Speaker elections will be interesting. Unlike the Senate Majority Leader, who is elected by the majority caucus, the Speaker is elected by the entire House. No one will have enough purely Republican votes to be elected. They will either have vote after vote after vote with no results (kind of like voting 50 times to repeal Obamacare) or someone somewhere will have to make a deal with the Democrats. If Ryan needs Democratic votes to hold onto his speakership, the price will be very high.
There will be calls for further Republican unity. The RNC will hold postmortems and call for minority outreach. They will go nowhere. In 2020, Cruz will be the candidate. He will lose. Bigly.
Reagan put together the three components of the famous Reagan Coalition that has been coming apart so spectacularly. They are the elite intellectual establishment Republicans, the white working-class lunch-pail crowd, and the Evangelicals (capital E.) The working class guys – teabaggers – are the largest group, under half, maybe 40%. (You can argue percentages in your own prediction.) The establishment and the Evangelicals are 25-30% each. They all hate each other.
In the last primary, the establishment Republicans – Kasich, Bush, Rubio, Walker, etc – and the Evangelicals – Huckleberry, Carson, etc - went down fast. Cruz is the only one with crossover appeal to both teabaggers and Evangelicals, so he hung on the longest. That's why he'll be the nominee next time. And the theme will be: Republicans didn't nominate a conservative enough guy, so keep moving right.
The establishment Republicans really have the short end of the stick. It turns out the other two parties of the coalition don't give a rat's ass about establishment Republican issues. (Sorry, issue singular. Making rich people richer.) The teabaggers have been lied to for thirty five years that trickle down works, so keep voting for tax cuts for the rich and eventually you'll get your good-paying jobs back. The chumps finally realized they've been duped and they're royally pissed off. No way are they ever going back to supporting establishment Republicans. The Evangelicals are almost in the same boat. Don't like abortion? Here, vote for this tax cut. Don't like gay sex? Here, vote for this other tax cut.
Those two groups make up the large majority of the Republican party. Problem is, the establishment Republicans have all the money, and without it the others aren't going to get very far. Hillary in 2020, maybe Kaine in 2024.
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Post by Doug on Nov 7, 2016 21:26:41 GMT -5
He's not a confessed felon. He's less likely to spend the lives of servicemen for political gain. He's not a politician.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 7, 2016 22:51:45 GMT -5
I'm not sure why anyone would think that Trump would be a good steward of the economy. Well, if half the Democrats who've threatened to leave the country if Trump is elected actually do leave, that would be a good start.
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Post by millring on Nov 8, 2016 7:34:08 GMT -5
Those stocks nearly tripled in value under Obama. From what point? I'm reminded of the constant meme of deficit reduction under Obama. I have probably seen the idea in meme form on facebook no fewer than 25 times -- the idea that this past 8 years has been a successful government because we have reduced the deficit. The meme always shows the graph that illustrates from 2008 until the present, a set of bars that is upwardly ascending toward the base that is no deficit. When the meme is commented on in a skeptical way by someone who points out that the deficit is not improving unless you are only considering that it is lower than it was during the 2009-2010 stimulus/TARP years -- years of record spending, and that CBO shows that if you expand that graph to include where we've been since, say, 1900 and on into the future, we actually aren't improving at all.... ...the response is usually "Maybe, but at least we are headed in the right direction. But we're not. If we were playing a baseball game and the opponent was up by 4 runs, if we followed up in that inning with 2 runs of our own, THAT would be heading in the right direction. But if we are down by 4 runs and we don't score....but the next inning the opponent only scores 2 runs.....that's not the same thing. That's not heading in the right direction. And when we follow up the next inning with them scoring only one run to our 0 runs.....again, NOT moving in the right direction. Reducing the deficit means we are still spending more than revenue.
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2016 8:34:26 GMT -5
Those stocks nearly tripled in value under Obama. From what point? From a third of where they are now. And all your baseball BS is deflection and change of topic--smoke and mirrors.
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Post by millring on Nov 8, 2016 8:37:28 GMT -5
From what point? From a third of where they are now. And all your baseball BS is deflection and change of topic--smoke and mirrors. No it's not. It's pointing out that you don't look at some weird anomaly like the crash of 2008 and then draw convenient conclusions that are easily explained by a more obvious look at the situation. The market was going to recover no matter who was president. The deficit was going to be smaller than the most extreme deficit in our nation's history.
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2016 8:40:04 GMT -5
From a third of where they are now. And all your baseball BS is deflection and change of topic--smoke and mirrors. No it's not. It's pointing out that you don't look at some weird anomaly like the crash of 2008 and then draw convenient conclusions that are easily explained by a more obvious look at the situation. The market was going to recover no matter who was president.You and Bruce should get together and start a Bob Jones office.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 8, 2016 8:49:54 GMT -5
From a third of where they are now. And all your baseball BS is deflection and change of topic--smoke and mirrors. No it's not. It's pointing out that you don't look at some weird anomaly like the crash of 2008 and then draw convenient conclusions that are easily explained by a more obvious look at the situation. The market was going to recover no matter who was president. The deficit was going to be smaller than the most extreme deficit in our nation's history. It's the same bullshit about stocks. The fed's been handing out free money (0% interest and they're considering going lower almost boggling the mind) and banks and the financial class are parking that free money in the stock market (hell, nothing to invest in in the economy) which just goes up as money chases money instead of value. And as we all should have learned in 2007, assets with no value are bubbles. And yet liberal savants keep pushing Obama's great economic achievement while simultaneously whining about how bad it was when he came in. Like that's some kind of excuse. The only thing Obama's accomplished is making everything more expensive, making a mockery of foreign policy, and allowing his wife to make school lunches inedible. Nice job.
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Post by AlanC on Nov 8, 2016 8:53:29 GMT -5
My prediction: More fracturing; more separation and entrenchment between left and right; more blurring, undermining, contrivance, spinning, manufacturing, etc of "facts"; more cop killings; more gun sales and arming of the populace on both sides; more protests and not-so-civil-disobedience; more terrorist attacks; backlash against immigrants; backlash and anger against activists and Islam; never ending, stupid Middle East wars; etc. In other words, just a whole lot more of what we got going on now until it all collapses into a Venezuela or Greece type meltdown. Enjoy.
Found this little ray of sunshine on another thread: "Well, no matter how it goes today, I have been assured there will be an IJam next September in Vinton, so there is still a rosy glow down the road.
Have a good one and avoid depression if at all possible".
I am hoping that the trials and tribulations will have abated by then and I can make it up there. I might even have time to learn a song. That would be a good thing, indeed.
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2016 8:54:57 GMT -5
Well of course that would correlate. The Wall Street friends of Hillary and Barry (the same ones who fucked the rest of us over in 2008) are the only folks that have made money under his tenure. The rest of us who have to work for a living have seen nothing but moribund GDP and job growth. Those folks clearly are delighted if their corrupt little gravy train keeps soaking the rest of us. Kind of telling that they'd be afraid of Trump. Another good reason to like him. It's going to be tough come wednesday morning to see HRC win and have a Fem Dem in the WH. Another 4-8 years of anger boiling up. You may want to find a way make peace with it for your own health.
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Post by aquaduct on Nov 8, 2016 9:03:37 GMT -5
It's going to be tough come wednesday morning to see HRC win and have a Fem Dem in the WH. Another 4-8 years of anger boiling up. You may want to find a way make peace with it for your own health. I'll save you the trouble of actually reading for comprehension. It's going to be tough come wednesday morning to see HRC win and have a Fem Dem in the WH. Another 4-8 years of anger boiling up. You may want to find a way make peace with it for your own health. I've made peace with it. You'll have to figure out a way to choke down selling your soul for an idiot.
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Post by jdd2 on Nov 8, 2016 9:05:42 GMT -5
QED
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