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Post by aquaduct on Nov 9, 2016 11:10:17 GMT -5
Peter: I'm going to go back and redact my "borderline lunatic" line, in a gracious (and classy, if I do say myself) spirit of reconciliation. You're awesome, but the borderline lunatic comment doesn't bother me. I just think an immediate assumption of stupidity or lunacy tends to mask what's really happening. Hopefully it becomes a teachable moment for Democrats and media prognosticators too.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 9, 2016 11:37:16 GMT -5
So is North Dakota. But both prevail. So,Bill, did you manage to sequester a few copies of the version of today's paper with the "Hillary WINS!!!" banner headline? THose are gonna be worth some money someday.
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Post by drlj on Nov 9, 2016 11:54:02 GMT -5
The DOW is actually doing quite well today. Up 200 the last time I checked.
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Post by Marshall on Nov 9, 2016 11:59:43 GMT -5
. . . , Hopefully it becomes a teachable moment for Democrats and media prognosticators too. I think it will. I would guess that Millennials and many of the Democratic faithful have had a slap in the face. And maybe will come to realize that Government is not the answer to everything. That it cannot be counted on. Prognosticators? I'm not so sure they'll learn anything. Pollsters got their lunch handed to them. (Where the hell did that phrase come ever come from?). They are going to have to go back to square one. Analysts have a bright future.
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Post by fauxmaha on Nov 9, 2016 12:03:21 GMT -5
Yeah, the stock market may end up tanking, but nothing like what is happening to Clinton Foundation "donations".
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Post by millring on Nov 9, 2016 19:06:03 GMT -5
Predictable as a sunrise the CBS News OPENED their broadcast this morning -- not with a story about the Trump and his successful campaign or even Hillary and her losing -- not with a story about the pollsters and why they might have gotten it wrong.... ...no, somehow they thought that the most important story in the entire universe is that Russia is celebrating the election of Trump. Nope, no narrative there. They're just TRYING to convince me that the press conspires with their narrative, but I'm not going to bite. I'm not going there. John, why don't you read a fucking newspaper, and turn off the fucking TV, and get a fucking clue that what some sunrise network show leads with is not emblematic of how "the press" performs. My colleagues here have just come to the end of a grueling campaign, worked our fucking asses off, and we come to work today and read shit like this. Love, Bill It would be great if I could read one while riding Steve's fucking horse.
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Nov 9, 2016 19:39:53 GMT -5
On the lighter side... John, miraculously, is gifted the one last Republican president for the rest of his lifetime....and it's Donald Trump. This is a tricky moment, so I will make clear, the above is an opportunity to make an ironic joke, a variation on the "genie wish gone awry" joke (#24). I know that John isn't a Republican, but is rather a thoughtful, complex person with values that tend to be represented more often in conservative positions than liberal positions. I can't begin to count the number of times John told us that there would never be another Republican President. It could cause me to lose faith.
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Post by millring on Nov 9, 2016 19:54:40 GMT -5
On the lighter side... John, miraculously, is gifted the one last Republican president for the rest of his lifetime....and it's Donald Trump. This is a tricky moment, so I will make clear, the above is an opportunity to make an ironic joke, a variation on the "genie wish gone awry" joke (#24). I know that John isn't a Republican, but is rather a thoughtful, complex person with values that tend to be represented more often in conservative positions than liberal positions. I can't begin to count the number of times John told us that there would never be another Republican President. It could cause me to lose faith. I don't plan on starting to be right about anything else anytime soon either.
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Post by drlj on Nov 9, 2016 20:03:01 GMT -5
I can't begin to count the number of times John told us that there would never be another Republican President. It could cause me to lose faith. I don't plan on starting to be right about anything else anytime soon either. I doubt anyone thought you would.
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Post by brucemacneill on Nov 9, 2016 20:08:14 GMT -5
I think you're covered, John. Trump's no one's version of a Republican. At best he's a rogue Democrat caught up in a populist movement who developed a cult following and was running against a bad enough opponent that he won. Now we just have to see what he does with the opportunity he's been presented.
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Post by millring on Nov 9, 2016 20:10:16 GMT -5
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Post by Russell Letson on Nov 9, 2016 20:16:59 GMT -5
Pollsters got their lunch handed to them. (Where the hell did that phrase come ever come from?) I smell a euphemism. Where I come from, what gets handed to you is your ass. Which may also wind up in a sling, often after getting it kicked until you're humpbacked and/or having you land hard on it. (I understand that in the south there's also the opening of a canned product whose trade-name starts with "Whoop.")
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Post by Fingerplucked on Nov 9, 2016 20:39:58 GMT -5
Those stocks nearly tripled in value under Obama. From what point? I'm reminded of the constant meme of deficit reduction under Obama. I have probably seen the idea in meme form on facebook no fewer than 25 times -- the idea that this past 8 years has been a successful government because we have reduced the deficit. The meme always shows the graph that illustrates from 2008 until the present, a set of bars that is upwardly ascending toward the base that is no deficit. When the meme is commented on in a skeptical way by someone who points out that the deficit is not improving unless you are only considering that it is lower than it was during the 2009-2010 stimulus/TARP years -- years of record spending, and that CBO shows that if you expand that graph to include where we've been since, say, 1900 and on into the future, we actually aren't improving at all.... ...the response is usually "Maybe, but at least we are headed in the right direction. But we're not. If we were playing a baseball game and the opponent was up by 4 runs, if we followed up in that inning with 2 runs of our own, THAT would be heading in the right direction. But if we are down by 4 runs and we don't score....but the next inning the opponent only scores 2 runs.....that's not the same thing. That's not heading in the right direction. And when we follow up the next inning with them scoring only one run to our 0 runs.....again, NOT moving in the right direction. Reducing the deficit means we are still spending more than revenue. You’re right about the lack of perspective in that meme, although I suspect it was edited that way because it was in response to years of Republicans bitching about Obama spending like a drunken sailor. Or not. Maybe it was purposely presented to mislead. Whatever, it doesn’t matter, because I agree with you. That meme only tells part of the story. This is the story of America, in proper perspective: Sort of. It looked better when I first looked at it. The first thing that jumps out at you is that our debt rises in times of crisis. And then it comes back down. And maybe the third thing to hit you, at least if you’re a balanced budget sort of guy, is that it’s too bad we weren’t alive 200 years ago when all was right in the world. The last thing to hit you, unless you’re being hit in the wrong order, is that the graph maker should have had more than red and blue crayons, because those colors don’t mean what I thought they did at first.
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Post by Fingerplucked on Nov 9, 2016 20:55:41 GMT -5
From a third of where they are now. And all your baseball BS is deflection and change of topic--smoke and mirrors. No it's not. It's pointing out that you don't look at some weird anomaly like the crash of 2008 and then draw convenient conclusions that are easily explained by a more obvious look at the situation. The market was going to recover no matter who was president. The deficit was going to be smaller than the most extreme deficit in our nation's history. The President should never get all the credit or all the blame. There are all sorts of factors that determine the direction and strength of GDP growth. But to imply that we would have recovered at the same rate or that the Great Recession could not possibly have turned into the Really, Really Great Depression if instead of Obama we had John McCain, Paul Ryan, Donald Trump or Michael Moore at the helm is just nonsense. Since I still have my google graph page up from my last post, I’ll demonstrate my point with another graph: See? Not only does this graph prove that it does matter who’s in charge, it also shows that proper use of red and blue crayons is important.
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