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Post by fauxmaha on Jan 5, 2018 13:03:16 GMT -5
This guy nails it.
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Post by coachdoc on Jan 5, 2018 14:00:43 GMT -5
Everybody should be forced to watch that before buying.
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Post by millring on Jan 5, 2018 14:05:12 GMT -5
Last year I priced having my van with 280,000 miles fixed so that the braking alert alarm would quit sounding. There was nothing wrong with the braking system. There was something wrong with the sensor.
$1600
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Post by Marshall on Jan 5, 2018 14:14:19 GMT -5
Well, I like the item #2 - Technology thing. I hate how this touch-screen technology makes it SOOOOOO difficult to just turn on the radio. Or turn it down. Or change channels. Totally distracting. I'm constantly taking my eyes off the road and flipping through flippin' screens (extorting flippin' expletives) just trying to turn on the radio. Used to be there was a dedicated dial for volume. You didn't even have to look for it. Your fingers knew where to go. And radio stations were buttons. BAM, get right to what you want. Now it's a distracting mess.
Item #1, I thought was off based. I've NEVER spent $42,000 for a vehicle. I've never spent $32,000 for a vehicle. My last new car (Civic) cost almost exactly $22,000. Brand new. That was 2 years ago.
Now, I know plenty of people that drive more spendy vehicle than I. More power to them (ha, ha). For the most part they seem like they can afford them. But I don't see any reason for anyone to go into BIG TIME debt to drive a vehicle that serves their needs. There are options available.
Back to Item 2 - I am worried what happens when my Civic gets old. I kept my Corolla for 11 years. I expect to have the Civic for many yeas to come. I really don't want to have to replace the whole computer/screen system if it craps out some day. Yes, I'd probably unload the thing, if it came to that.
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Post by majorminor on Jan 5, 2018 14:30:50 GMT -5
One of the things I love about the FJ Cruiser  |
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Post by millring on Jan 5, 2018 14:35:54 GMT -5
The biggest problem with cars is that it is almost impossible for a 6'3" man to fold himself down into one.
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Post by theevan on Jan 5, 2018 14:54:18 GMT -5
One of the things I love about the FJ Cruiser Those are proper HVAC controls. My Dodge pickup has similar. My wife's Chevy Equinox has physically separate knobs for HVAC, but they're tied into the touch screen. None of it makes sense to me. It's an ergonomic nightmare. Oh, the touchscreen on the Dodge refuses to come on from time to time. All that means to me is losing the audio and my Bluetooth connection. If vital controls or vehicle info was bound up in the screen I'd be dead in the water. |
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Post by Fingerplucked on Jan 5, 2018 15:03:38 GMT -5
My ten year old Dodge has a touch screen. Normally, I try not to mess with it, but yesterday I was a passenger with Haley driving. I learned more about my touch screen radio in ten minutes than I had in the previous ten years.
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Post by billhammond on Jan 5, 2018 15:18:29 GMT -5
Behold the dash of my $11K used car, a 2009 model. All the tech stuff is located above the analog clock, and I never use any of those controls, as all the stuff I use is duplicated with knobs below: heater/AC controls, stereo knobs, etc. Additionally, there is a stereo volume control on the steering wheel. The only thing I ever use the touch screen for is to read the printout of what piece of music is playing on the classical station that my radio is perpetually tuned to. So while I am sympathetic to this guy's beefs, none of them applies to my particular automotive situation. Sometimes you just have to go back in time to find the good, affordable stuff. And learn how to turn off the really stupid stuff permanently. I had a "TIRE MAINTENANCE" light come on recently, which I could shut off easily enough, but it was annoying to see it reappear at every engine startup. I told the guy at the Infiniti dealer last week when I was getting an oil change that I determine tire maintenance need BY LOOKING AT MY TIRES. So he got in, pushed some buttons and said "You'll never see that light again." Huzzah.  |
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Post by Rob Hanesworth on Jan 5, 2018 15:18:34 GMT -5
My ten year old Dodge has a touch screen. Normally, I try not to mess with it, but yesterday I was a passenger with Haley driving. I learned more about my touch screen radio in ten minutes than I had in the previous ten years. Yes, the guy assumes you are alone in the car. Some of the control problems are mitigated if you have a front seat passenger to make adjustments. Marshall, I can't comfortably drive a Civic which pretty much throws me into a higher priced car. My size limits my options. I try on cars. Also, a lot of stuff on my 2013 Accord could crap out without hindering its basic function of getting me from A to B. I wouldn't bother to fix a lot of it. Like on my 2006 Sonata where the right front power door lock quit working. BFD. |
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 5, 2018 15:32:05 GMT -5
I bought the base model Subaru Outback and it's mostly regular old manual operation, not even automatic headlights really. Yeah, you can have them come on at dark but they aren't tied to the windshield wipers or anything else. It has no entertainment system beyond a 1 CD player, AM and FM radio with a volume and a station dial. Sure, the engine is computer controlled but otherwise it's the closest thing I could get, mechanically, to a '57 Chevy.
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Post by Cosmic Wonder on Jan 5, 2018 15:38:03 GMT -5
I think the guy is a complete wanker. Waah, I cant afford a nice car. Waah, I don’t like the controls. Cars are not perfect. So what.
Mike
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Post by Marshall on Jan 5, 2018 15:43:38 GMT -5
My ten year old Dodge has a touch screen. Normally, I try not to mess with it, but yesterday I was a passenger with Haley driving. I learned more about my touch screen radio in ten minutes than I had in the previous ten years. Yes, the guy assumes you are alone in the car. Some of the control problems are mitigated if you have a front seat passenger to make adjustments. Marshall, I can't comfortably drive a Civic which pretty much throws me into a higher priced car. My size limits my options. I try on cars. Also, a lot of stuff on my 2013 Accord could crap out without hindering its basic function of getting me from A to B. I wouldn't bother to fix a lot of it. Like on my 2006 Sonata where the right front power door lock quit working. BFD. Yeah I understand about the size of the Civic. I'm not a big guy, and my wife is a peanut. She's 5'6, but weighs in @ 115. She bitches and moans and puts us on a diet if she gains 2 lbs. And even for me, I have to make an athletic move to just get behind the wheel. The seating position is close to the ground. But still our old Rav4 and now a Honda Hylander were under $26K. The Hylander came with the most basic package and doesn't have a touch screen. The radio has knobs, of all things. My point is, you don't need to spend $42k on a vehicle if you can't afford it. So, if this guy is exaggerating his point on price, should we believe the rest of his argument? |
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Post by Marshall on Jan 5, 2018 15:48:07 GMT -5
PS - I've got a friend I usually give a ride home from the bar on Wednesday night. He's working off a DUI, so he won't drink and drive. But Garland is a big boy, weighing about 285. When he gets into the passenger seat he fills up the compartment. And the whole car creaks and lists decidedly to starboard.
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Post by fauxmaha on Jan 5, 2018 15:56:09 GMT -5
PS - I've got a friend I usually give a ride home from the bar on Wednesday night. He's working off a DUI, so he won't drink and drive. But Garland is a big boy, weighing about 285. When he gets into the passenger seat he fills up the compartment. And the whole car creaks and lists decidedly to starboard. "Listing to Starboard" --- Good band name |
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Post by billhammond on Jan 5, 2018 16:04:22 GMT -5
Yes, the guy assumes you are alone in the car. Some of the control problems are mitigated if you have a front seat passenger to make adjustments. Marshall, I can't comfortably drive a Civic which pretty much throws me into a higher priced car. My size limits my options. I try on cars. Also, a lot of stuff on my 2013 Accord could crap out without hindering its basic function of getting me from A to B. I wouldn't bother to fix a lot of it. Like on my 2006 Sonata where the right front power door lock quit working. BFD. Yeah I understand about the size of the Civic. I'm not a big guy, and my wife is a peanut. She's 5'6, but weighs in @ 115. She bitches and moans and puts us on a diet if she gains 2 lbs. And even for me, I have to make an athletic move to just get behind the wheel. The seating position is close to the ground. But still our old Rav4 and now a Honda Toyota HyHighlander were under $26K. |
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Post by fauxmaha on Jan 5, 2018 16:12:34 GMT -5
Yes, the guy assumes you are alone in the car. Some of the control problems are mitigated if you have a front seat passenger to make adjustments. Marshall, I can't comfortably drive a Civic which pretty much throws me into a higher priced car. My size limits my options. I try on cars. Also, a lot of stuff on my 2013 Accord could crap out without hindering its basic function of getting me from A to B. I wouldn't bother to fix a lot of it. Like on my 2006 Sonata where the right front power door lock quit working. BFD. Yeah I understand about the size of the Civic. I'm not a big guy, and my wife is a peanut. She's 5'6, but weighs in @ 115. She bitches and moans and puts us on a diet if she gains 2 lbs. And even for me, I have to make an athletic move to just get behind the wheel. The seating position is close to the ground. But still our old Rav4 and now a Honda Hylander were under $26K. The Hylander came with the most basic package and doesn't have a touch screen. The radio has knobs, of all things. My point is, you don't need to spend $42k on a vehicle if you can't afford it. So, if this guy is exaggerating his point on price, should we believe the rest of his argument? Stern words for someone who confused his Toyota for a Honda!!!   |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 18:28:38 GMT -5
Point #1 is silly. There is no reason for a twenty-something to pony up $40K for a new car. That elicits the same sympathy from me as amassing $80K in student debt from an Ivy League school while majoring in philosophy. Please take ownership of your less-than-well-thought-out actions, kids.
As for point #2, I agree. I want as much analog in my car as I can get. I don't want a nav system in whatever new car we buy for the specific reason he sates - no updates. Given we tend to hold onto cars for 13 years on average (so far), that part of his diatribe resonates.
Of course, I also acknowledge that I am a grumpy old bastard, so take whatever I grouse about with a grain of salt.
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Post by drlj on Jan 5, 2018 18:52:14 GMT -5
Wow. You guys really are a bunch of grumpy old dudes.
13 years?
280,000 miles?
Cranks in the front to start the car?
Really?
I am shocked. Shocked, I say.
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Post by brucemacneill on Jan 5, 2018 19:53:33 GMT -5
Sad old bastards with guitars, as I recall.
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